Comments Thread For: Greed or greatness? How will we remember this heavyweight era

[NachoMan]

Don't move the goalposts on me bro.

I'm saying this era is already better off of those 3 fights than MOST periods in HW history.

I'm not, nor was the person I was cosigning, saying its a great era in comparison to the Ali vs Frazier vs Foreman vs Norton days or the 90s.

Go look at the HW division over the years. Its a garbage division MOST of the time. Its almost always extremely top heavy to the point of the main title holder (or the champion further back) being the only person people care about til he gets upset.

I agree that the HW division has generally been one of the worst divisions in the sport. With regard to this thread and my last post, however, nobody moved goal posts on you. You keep saying that the current HW era is ALREADY greater than MOST HW eras throughout history, but you don't specify which HW eras you're talking about, so who could argue against you? In your last post you clarify that the current HW era is not greater than the 90's (of course) nor the 70's (of course). What about he 80's or the 60's, 50's or 40's? Be specific. We know that nothing could be worse than the last decade, so the only thing that apparently makes the current era great is that it seems poised to be better than the last one. Right?? I think you generally know your stuff about boxing, but I also think you cosigned a ****** argument here. Regardless of the talent and profile of the marquee HW fighters of today, there have been precious few actual good fights, so how the hell is this one of the greatest HW eras - ALREADY?!?

[Eff Pandas]

I agree that the HW division has generally been one of the worst divisions in the sport.

You keep saying that the current HW era is ALREADY greater than MOST HW eras throughout history, but you don't specify which HW eras you're talking about, so who could argue against you?

The first part suggests you agree with me.

The question in the second part suggests you have no clue what I'm even talking about.

If your first statement is true why would you even need to ask the question? Look at all the different eras in HW history & tell me the ones you see that are better than what we've seen thus far in this one? Now look at all the gaps you see & tell me if you see the point in me listing all the periods worse then this one.

how the hell is this one of the greatest HW eras ALREADY?!?

Thats what it breaks down to, but idk that I'd frame it so confidently like THAT. Its a low hanging fruit division with competitiveness so if this is the 10th best era, for example, idk that I'm that hyped about it while it still being on the better than most eras side of the math.

I mean this is hardly something I'm saying in excitement. Its something I'm just confirming is a fact with the above poster & against the poster who disagreed with him cuz of the HW division largely being an uncompelling division. The Ali era was an outlier. The 90's were an outlier. The average HW era is beneath what we've seen in the last few years. I don't see that bring a statement most reasonable cats would disagree with if they merely look at HW history & the record books.

[BOXING-SCRIBE]

Some talented HWs this era, mainly just 3, but the fillers are not that bad either. Hearn is going to be the culprit behind AJ not fighting Wilder or Fury. AJ AKA Unc Tom, is the only one willing to sell his a$$ to the masta. While I am on a rant, I am going to say this again, American promoters should be ashamed of themselves letting this guy think he calls shots. Arum is getting too old to let his balls swang like he used to, Delahoya has "yes sir" issues, King is dead, I mean this man is up by default. Plus they let Hearn sign Haney. Big mistake. He is the future of the sport. Shame Shame Shame...Herb Hearn is running loose as a goose right now.

[tophat1]

definitely not greatness, the level of competition isn't there without fighting each other.

we may get to see these fights at some point but it will more than likely be when someone picks up a loss a bit like Pac vs Floyd. seems like it's becoming harder and harder to make these big fights because of networks investing so much in these fighters. I can only see it getting worse before it gets better

[Laligalaliga]

Eddie Hearn has done so much damage to this Heavyweight era. I doubt these fights will ever happen.

Lolx....still crying like a sissy.

[Laligalaliga]

Greed or greatness.excellent topic by boxingscene.you kinda have to go by the individual not the hw division as a whole.like deontay for instance he's chasing a legacy and Joshua chasing the money.two different great examples

42 fights and no unification doesn't shoe a sign of somebody chasing great ness.

I want to be sure you don't have short memory loss.

[What up]

Greed and Joshua will always be remembered for not being great but for not fighting fury or wilder end of story!

[Tecnoworld]

Eddie Hearn has done so much damage to this Heavyweight era. I doubt these fights will ever happen.

This. Compared to him, even Don King was a great promoter.

[boogbx]

This is the era of drama and hysteria. Bunch of manginas discussing boxing.

It’s still early. Wilder said it, everybody is in discussion. Wilder is the talk of the town, Joshua has his first fight in the U.S coming up and everybody is waiting to see how he looks and if if he impresses. You get a packed MSG and explosive KO and that will lead to an eventual fight between either Fury or Wilder.

It’s still early, don’t overreact.

[SteveM]

All 3 fighters have defects that make them susceptible to upsets without already taking into account that the hw division is the one where more fighters can get KO'd due to a lucky punch.

AJ has fought threats. He took on Wlad, he took on Parker when he was undefeated, he took on Whyte when he probably could have avoided him. Fury took on Wlad when he still looked good and when Fury was considered an underdog. Wilder has taken on Ortiz and Fury. So fights are getting made. But largely this division is being held hostage to the Mayweather effect - must preserve that zero at all costs otherwise your negotiating leverage is gone. And that is where the Greed comes in. What amount of $ is enough? Wilder turned down a hundred million. How can that not be enough? AJ wanted to play the A side too hard so Wilder took fright. Fury did take a great risk with the wilder fight but then has decided he favors the 'boxing is a business' approach more.

These guys are all far from living the 'line em up' philosophy.