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GGG wasn't prime, neither is Jacobs. I've said for at least the past year or so you can see the decline, especially in Jacobs, his boxing skills have regressed. Perhaps due to coming back from cancer and starting to kind of fall in love with his power. He used to be a better technician. Canelo has a good resume but I can see each of those names listed beating him. He hasn't proved he is the best MW since Hagler. He lost to GGG in the first fight and was gifted a draw. Let's be real. As usual on this site a guy picks up a good win or two and all of a sudden people want to crown him. Pump your brakes, he still has work to do to cement his legacy
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Canelo is faster and stronger than Hop
So many forget how Taylor used his speed to get his punches off firstComment
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Sorry op he is no where near benard Hopkins yet. Comeback in another five years and let’s see where Canelo stands.Comment
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You're too much.
Roy blasted out Tate in 2 rounds.
He easily beat Malinga in 6.
He beat Bernard with a fractured hand.
His last fight at MW was just 6 months before he beat Toney.
He didn't need to be there a long time. He then went up to SMW and LHW to beat very good fighters by displaying the exact same skills he had at MW.
Roy would have played with GG and Jacobs.
Jacobs would just have been another fighter in the early 90's. A good fighter, but nothing special.
You want to note that Roy didn't stay at MW long, yet Canelo's only had about 5 fights. And 2 of them were C-W's against faded former WW's.Comment
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Just stop.
It's becoming cringeworthy.
Canelo has never even seen a fighter like Nunn. He's never seen a guy with a 77" reach who had movement like that. The nearest he's come to that is when he faced Lara. We know what happened there.
Toney could be inconsistent, but when he was sharp and motivated, he was a great fighter. He beat McCallum, Reggie and Nunn. His MW resume is better than Canelo's.
McCallum was in his mid 30's but still elite. He got a draw with an in shape, prime version of Toney, where a lot of people think that he won. He also had wins over prime versions of Kalambay, Graham, Watson and Collins. His MW resume is also better than Canelo's.
Hopkins had wins over Jackson, Johnson, Holmes, Joppy, Tito and De La Hoya etc. Personally, I give him credit for the Tito win, but not for the one over De La Hoya. Yes, both of those were former WW's. But then so were Cotto and Khan.
Roy - I've already discussed. He was just on another planet at 25 years of age.
Canelo is a great fighter. But as yet, he doesn't possess a great MW resume.
Cotto was a faded former WW who only won the belt because Martinez was at the end of his career with bad knees.
Khan was a faded former LW who should never have been in the ring with Canelo.
Canelo's only legit 3 MW fights have been against GG and Jacobs. Jacobs isn't a great fighter, and he has one draw and one debatable win against an overrated and faded GG. That is nothing to shout about. Beating those guys in very close fights, isn't as great as what Toney and McCallum did, by beating the guys who they did whilst they were in their prime.
Just let Canelo's career play out.
It's too early to be making these types of silly posts.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 05-05-2019, 02:19 PM.Comment
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Canelo beat the best 2 middleweights of his era
Did Roy even want to face Steve Collins?
Did Hop fight anyone elite besides blown up 147 guys?
Canelo has proven to have a better historic resume alreadyComment
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Close fight, I had Jacob's winning by 1 point, could easily see it as a draw or to Canelo by 1.Comment
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This is a prime example of why this site is so tiresome at times.
Guys like yourself always lack two essential things when trying to debate:
1. Actual knowledge of what they're debating.
2. Perspective.
Yes, Canelo has beaten the best 2 MW's of his era. But he's only beaten one of them clearly.
Now for some perspective:
Although Danny Jacobs is a good fighter who's big and strong, he's not great. A very good fighter for sure, but not great. If Jacobs was around in the early 90's, he'd just be another fighter. Today's group of MW's aren't as good as the MW's who fought in the early 90's.
Scraping by GG and beating Jacobs, is not as good as beating prime versions of Reggie Johnson, Michael Nunn, and a still elite level version of Mike McCallum.
Nor is it better than beating prime versions of Sumbu Kalambay, Herol Graham, Julian Jackson, Steve Collins, Mike Watson, or earning a debatable draw against a prime, sharp version of James Toney.
Regarding Bernard Hopkins, no, he doesn't possess a great MW resume. But if you think that Jacobs is elite, then so were Holmes and Tito.
Regarding Roy, under different circumstances, yes, he'd have fought Collins. Not that it has any relevance to what we're discussing here.
I get it.
You're high on Canelo.
That's cool.
He's a great fighter. But don't be disrespecting the MW's of the past, and don't be pretending that he's done anything truly great. GG was always overrated in my opinion, and Canelo went life and death with him when he was 36. So getting a disputed win and a draw is nothing to be cumming in your pants over. Nor is a win over Danny Jacobs.
As for any comparisons with Roy, don't even go there. At Canelo's age, Roy would have beaten GG and Jacobs with ease.
Canelo has a long way to go before we start proclaiming he's one of the greatest MW's of all time. Emphatically beating GG would have been a start, plus a win over BJS would have been nice. Hopefully, they could meet up at SMW at some point.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 05-05-2019, 03:44 PM.Comment
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Ggg beat him up twice now Golovkin is the goat sorryComment
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