Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[Scipio2009]

What was untrue? They made two offers as you said, both for fights with AJ and other opponents. Wilder did not turn down any DAZN offers to fight AJ and AJ alone.

The fool has somehow convinced himself that DAZN was so smitten with Wilder that they were offering to host one-off Wilder fights on their platform, lol

[Scipio2009]

They know Wilder is just a Kp waiting to happen. Fury rocked him, imagine someone with a bit of power.

And I bet my house that Fury Ko's him if there is a rematch and then that golden goose is toasted.

What's your house worth?

**** metaphorical, lay out a number.

[Scipio2009]

And how much was Wilder supposed to get (when offered "50M" to AJ)? That's very important. Ask Shelly
You seem to be more interested in AJ getting as much as possible instead Wilder. Who pays the most gets the fight, or not?

Wilder's camp argued to high heaven that it was worth $100m publicly (guessing at the numbers, it was likely really worth $70m-$75m).

[Bronx2245]

If Haymon was loyal to Showtime then Mikey/Spence would of landed on Showtime PPV not FOX PPV. Stop this you sound ****** and putting words in Espinoza mouth that he didn't say. He said Wilder is loyal to Showtime that's bs. Wilder has fought like 4 or 5 times in recent years on networks OUTSIDE of Showtime. He's fought on FOX, NBC, CBS and whoever else Haymon tells him too. If Wilder was loyal to Showtime then he would sign a contract to fight exclusively with Showtime yet he only has a contract with Haymon that's who he is loyal to and he will fight outside of Showtime whenever Haymon tells him too.

Haymon and Espinoza (SHO) are joined at the hip, and have been since the glory days of Golden Boy Productions! That relationship is very strong, so anybody committing to Haymon is already committed to SHO, even if they fight on FOX or CBS! When PBC flees from SHO, like TR and GBP fled to ESPN, or MatchRoom fled to DAZN, then we can have this conversation! As for now, SHO and PBC, are basically one and the same!

[Scipio2009]

The 33-year-old Wilder, of Tuscaloosa, Alabama, is not committed to Showtime beyond the Breazeale bout. That freedom should allow Wilder, at least theoretically, to negotiate again with representatives for DAZN and ESPN, both of which offered him long-term contracts recently, as he purses a rematch with Fury (ESPN) and a much-discussed showdown with Anthony Joshua (DAZN).

People aren't looking at the fact that Wilder DID NOT SIGN a long term contract with Showtime and is free to negotiate again with espn and DAZN. Which I believe Wilder's plan is too get an impressive ko against Brezeale and peak a little more interest in signing him. I think people love to hate him at this point lol Personally I think Fury, AJ and Wilder are all just making sure they are compensated accordingly before they are fed to one another lol they just want a little more financial security that's all.

I think that Wilder earnestly that he'll be the one face of heavyweight boxing, and getting there leaves the world at his feet for however long his run lasts.

If you honestly think that he's signing his run over to anyone at this point in it, you're fooling yourself

[guyver8]

If Wilder wants to rule the HW division, he better get a move on, at 34 this year, time isn't on his side. Other than his power, his other best attributes decline rapidly with age. Reflexes, speed, athleticism and endurance (although he looked tired at the end of the Fury fight).

Technically very flawed.

Basically a bad combination for older boxers and it will get more difficult to land that big right hand as the months and years roll by.

[Scipio2009]

How can they afford to pay him $20 million for Breazeale? I feel like DAZN could rob Peter to pay Paul for the Wilder-Breazeale fight, with the Joshua fight(s) and also with other revenue they could take in from other fights and services on DAZN. Taking a gamble in way.

But what has Wilder ever made besides the Fury fight? If you don't count Pac/Floyd, there are only 2 superstars - Joshua and Canelo, in the sport right now. They can fight a lot of people and have it be PPV. Someone like GGG is probably the 3rd 'star' right now but he would struggle to do a good PPV against most people. I don't think Wilder's fan base is probably even half of GGG's right now. So Wilder's PPV potential is even more limited.

A service like DAZN could actually be a blessing for boxing fans (and boxers) - all these guys signed to the same service, and the service makes them fight each other. And the boxers seem to be getting paid very well by DAZN. I just can't see why Wilder is passing up that money but maybe he really is getting paid very well by Showtime, idk. I just don't really see how.

Him not going to DAZN not only deprives us of the best fighting the best it also may cost him a lot of money. Hopefully for his sake Showtime is able to make that fight with Joshua but man those were some crazy numbers being offered to Wilder. I don't see how the fight brings that much in. If you pass up an opportunity like that it may not come around again.

All Wilder needs is the Joshua fight; there's a reason why Joshua's management didn't allow for him to be lumped in with Hearn's deal.

The winner of the Wilder-Joshua series is THE PPV star for their run, full stop.

I doubt that the number is $20m, but Showtime is overpaying here as a bet on Wilder being the goods; he beats Joshua and Showtime has their star (with Errol Spence Jr seemingly set to be the PPV star for FOX).

[Scipio2009]

How can they pay him 40 mil to fight A.J. is the better question.

A million buys @ $75.00 per is only 75 mil and they are not giving Wilder over half of the gross.

All these numbers just don't add up.

Its not one fight, first of all; Lewis-Tyson is the bar that likely gets aimed for, and I think that this could be way bigger than that, tbh.

Beyond that, Wilder's work with the network makes Showtime/CBS the lead party to carry Wilder's title run (and likely whatever run there is after that for however long Wilder is still viable as a feature fighter).

At Wilder's age, barring any injuries, you're talking about 5 years to work with, at least (near zero wear from an amateur career, no issues with weight/fitness, and arguably the hardest punch in boxing, the run could go well beyond that).

[Scipio2009]

Hey man I hope it works out for Wilder. I don't really think he is a big star like that to be bringing in a ton of extra revenue. I don't think any of his fights, besides Fury, so far have probably done more than $15 million total. So where is the money coming from to pay him more than that for Breazeale?

If someone has numbers to indicate Wilder fights bring in a lot more money I would love to see them and be proven wrong.

Deontay Wilder drew more on his debut headlining PPV than Canelo did, and Canelo had the bump of being in with Floyd to goose his number.

You add that he's at heavyweight, with the chance to fight for the undisputed heavyweight championship in his next couple of fights, and the numbers aren't as silly as they'd seem

[Larry the boss]

Wilder's own words are making him look bad to be honest