Comments Thread For: Barclays' Yormark: Wilder Biggest Boxer In U.S., Joshua Unknown

[NachoMan]

Maybe , maybe not . I will private message you my thoughts. It doesn’t look good and paints the wrong image a joshualite openly agreeing with a point a Wilderlite makes. I hope you can appreciate my untenable situation

Haha, yeah, I can appreciate that. I'm not really a "Wilderlite" though. I think he's great for the sport and I picked him to beat Fury, but Fury showed he was better. I think AJ v Wilder is a great fight that can go either way, but my gut says Wilder KO's him in a fire fight.

[N/A]

So you think the addition of Anthony Joshua can bring in an additional 1.2 million buys. Even though it’s claimed he’s unknown in the us. It’s one or the other it can’t be both.

There is historical precedence for this. Lennox Lewis was not a PPV fighter. Holyfield's career had taken a down turn and the Moorer rematch only did half a million buys. Yet, Holyfield vs. Lewis did over 1.2 million buys. So Lewis was both worth zero PPV buys on his own, but also worth over 700,000 buys in the right scenario. That's just how boxing is sometimes.

Pacquiao was only doing a few hundred thousand PPV buys, Mayweather was doing a hair under a million buys. But together they did 4.5 million. So Pacquiao was both worth a few hundred thousand PPV buys on his own, but also worth over 3.5 million buys in the right scenario. That's just how boxing is sometimes.

You can't underestimate the importance of the UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD. It attracts casual interest and media attention far beyond almost anything else in boxing. The heavyweight champion is the champion of boxing. The boxer who would beat all the boxers in the lower weight divisions. Heavyweight is the best of the best, not the best of a predetermined size. So when you have an undisputed heavyweight champion, you're literally crowning the king of earth.

[Noelanthony]

The statement had nothing to do with Canelo. Wilder is bigger in the US than Joshua. Only a clueless idiot would even question that.

Just relax and stop getting all emotional. What difference does it make? You should be asking the question how can I Wilder be a champion and in your very own words much more popular than Joshua yet in joshua’s Very first fight in America earns 3x the amount of Wilder. F#uck the popularity award I need to get paid.... oh **** $100 million...... “ain’t enough I’m about loyalty and one face and one name..... by the way what’s Joshua earning? Not that it makes a difference because I’m loyal”

[Noelanthony]

Haha, yeah, I can appreciate that. I'm not really a "Wilderlite" though. I think he's great for the sport and I picked him to beat Fury, but Fury showed he was better. I think AJ v Wilder is a great fight that can go either way, but my gut says Wilder KO's him in a fire fight.

I think the other way round but I can not begrudge anyone choosing Wilder. I just want them to fight. The key to victory against Wilder is if AJ is caught just go down you can not risk getting caught again with the windmill Thor hammer fist. Hopefully when we hit the canvas, not to hard I hope AJ gets up knowing that Wilder will attack him like an animal with Rabies. The idea is to tuck up and absorb everything he throws on the gloves. Then you hit him with the combo, snap or at least dislocate on of those bird legs.

An easier option is to jab his head off and make him fight backwards because Wilder is stiffer than AJ when he walks backwards in straight lines

[Fabes88]

There is historical precedence for this. Lennox Lewis was not a PPV fighter. Holyfield's career had taken a down turn and the Moorer rematch only did half a million buys. Yet, Holyfield vs. Lewis did over 1.2 million buys. So Lewis was both worth zero PPV buys on his own, but also worth over 700,000 buys in the right scenario. That's just how boxing is sometimes.

Pacquiao was only doing a few hundred thousand PPV buys, Mayweather was doing a hair under a million buys. But together they did 4.5 million. So Pacquiao was both worth a few hundred thousand PPV buys on his own, but also worth over 3.5 million buys in the right scenario. That's just how boxing is sometimes.

You can't underestimate the importance of the UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD. It attracts casual interest and media attention far beyond almost anything else in boxing. The heavyweight champion is the champion of boxing. The boxer who would beat all the boxers in the lower weight divisions. Heavyweight is the best of the best, not the best of a predetermined size. So when you have an undisputed heavyweight champion, you're literally crowning the king of earth.

Oh wow you’re really going to lie like that? I expected better from you. Lewis sold 300k ppvs (a good number for your first headline ppv) against golota so to say he brought 0 ppv buys is a lie. and manny was involved in 6 fights that sold over 1 million. It was universally accepted Pac-Man was a massive draw.

Unlike most on here I actually believe you are who you say you are and that you work in boxing and have promoted your own cards reason being I genuinely believe no one would be sad enough to lie to strangers on a boxing forum. That being said are you able to shed light on why Wilder breazle isn’t carried by sho ppv as it was reported earlier? Is it because a “flop” would hurt his bargaining position later down the line and his team don’t truly consider him a ppv fighter yet?

[chicken-]

It's hilarious the way people who want to talk up the US proudly state how high the ticket prices are and sneer at the affordable prices and consequently huge audiences in the UK.

You think high ticket prices that are unaffordable to many fans are a good thing? You like the fact it prices people out and makes it hard to grow the sport? Really?

It has nothing to do with good or bad. I'm simply pointing out reality to those who keep insisting fighters go to the UK and make less money because they sell out stadiums. We can debate over ticket prices all day but the reality is there is more money in the US, period. I for one don't blame them for wanting the most money while they are getting brain damage for my entertainment.

[chicken-]

Compare overall gate receipts and I, dare say Arsenal, United or City would outstrip the Jets or Knicks. Add in merchandise, rights etc and perhaps not. So fair enough.

It just seemed an odd boast to make his point. In a city of 8m plus you can support two sports markets in one night? Wow. Well done.

Well to be fair I don't think that was his intention with that comment and I doubt he put that much thought into it. He was just making the point that fights can happen a week or two apart and still make good money because the market is big enough especially when one is in Vegas and one is in NY.

[PotentialToast]

Aj has the edge over Wilder in attendance in part because it is his first fight in the US and I (and my ilk) can get a pass to see it if the misses can go and do 3 days shopping.

[killakali]

The Smith fight was AFTER the Khan fight, so you look like a fool when you say I'm going too far back, but then you go even further back.

and I post better numbers. Canelo consistently does numbers. He’s 100x more known than wilder “Mr zero endorsements”

[NachoMan]

I think the other way round but I can not begrudge anyone choosing Wilder. I just want them to fight. The key to victory against Wilder is if AJ is caught just go down you can not risk getting caught again with the windmill Thor hammer fist. Hopefully when we hit the canvas, not to hard I hope AJ gets up knowing that Wilder will attack him like an animal with Rabies. The idea is to tuck up and absorb everything he throws on the gloves. Then you hit him with the combo, snap or at least dislocate on of those bird legs.

An easier option is to jab his head off and make him fight backwards because Wilder is stiffer than AJ when he walks backwards in straight lines

I could certainly see AJ outboxing him. He is certainly the better technician, but I don't at all see that fight being a clean contest of boxing skills. I see a wild throw down that sees both guys on the floor. In this type of fight I see AJ's style as a liability. I imagine a modern day W. Klitschko vs Corrie Sanders. The more I think about it, I see AJ getting blitzed. He's too stiff. Wilder likes things wild.