Comments Thread For: Barclays' Yormark: Wilder Biggest Boxer In U.S., Joshua Unknown

[OgTripleOg]

That’s a nice narrative to push but it’s lies. Boxing is probably the 4th or 5th sport in Britain but if those lies make you feel better carry on telling them. Boxing is in the national newspapers twice maybe three times a week at best.

Boxing is one of your major events. Your fans are much different than ours. We didn't come to have a sausage fest and get drunk and sing sweet Caroline together lmfao. Just watch any main U.K. Event and then go watch a main USA event the atmosphere is not the same.

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Canelo consistently does numbers. He’s 100x more known than wilder “Mr zero endorsements”

Canelo has 4.5 million followers. Wilder has 1.7 million followers. So no, Canelo isn't 100x more known.

As for endorsements, Wilder has several. Everlast, Brooklyn Boxing and Champion just to name a few.

[Fabes88]

Boxing is one of your major events. Your fans are much different than ours. We didn't come to have a sausage fest and get drunk and sing sweet Caroline together lmfao. Just watch any main U.K. Event and then go watch a main USA event the atmosphere is not the same.

Boxing isn’t one of our major events really. There’s no annual “big boxing” event. Our major events are the fa cup, Wimbledon, grand national, silverstone gp and there’s the six nations as well.

If there’s a big fight on it will be a big deal but to try and say boxing is the number 1 sport and there’s nothing happening outside of it just simply isn’t true. Just because people get drunk and sing, doesn’t make it a major event. We get drunk and sing at the cricket too

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Oh wow you’re really going to lie like that? I expected better from you. Lewis sold 300k ppvs (a good number for your first headline ppv) against golota so to say he brought 0 ppv buys is a lie. and manny was involved in 6 fights that sold over 1 million. It was universally accepted Pac-Man was a massive draw.

That was the era where 300k was considered a failure on PPV, which is why Lewis' subsequent fights weren't on PPV, including the Shannon Briggs fight, which was considered a very big fight at the time. The industry didn't view Lewis as a PPV fighter, only Holyfield. In fact, in '98, the Holyfield vs. Lewis fight was called off because HBO didn't believe it could do a million buys. Yet, it did 1.2 million in the end. why? Because the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world is a very powerful concept.

As for Pacquiao, he did 300 or 400k in his fights before the Mayweather fight. His days of a million buys were behind him. He did 400k vs. Algieri, Mayweather did 900 or a million in the Maidana rematch. Together, they did 4.5 million. You can't just add the buys of each fighter to predict the total when they fight each other. There's way more to it than that.

are you able to shed light on why Wilder breazle isn’t carried by sho ppv as it was reported earlier? Is it because a “flop” would hurt his bargaining position later down the line and his team don’t truly consider him a ppv fighter yet?

Very few fighters in boxing history have reached "every fight is a PPV" status. When every fight is a PPV, you end up with marketplace fatigue. Even Canelo, the big cash cow in boxing, had a flop with the Smith fight and had HBO stayed in boxing, the Fielding fight was going to be on HBO, not PPV.

Wilder vs. Breazeale isn't going to be on PPV because Wilder didn't want it to be on PPV. Pretty simple. The fight would have probably done between 200 and 250 thousand buys. Generally, if a fight is only going to do 200 thousand buys, Showtime would rather put the fight on Showtime and they do have the budget to pay for a 200 thousand buy level fight to put it on Showtime. Did Wilder leave money on the table? If it would have done 250, then probably yes.

However, it looks like PBC's plan is to build to Wilder vs. Klitschko, so the little bit of money Wilder gives up putting Breazeale on Showtime, he'll make up on the back end when the Klitschko fight does better numbers from him getting Showtime exposure for the Breazeale fight.

[Curt Henning]

That was the era where 300k was considered a failure on PPV, which is why Lewis' subsequent fights weren't on PPV, including the Shannon Briggs fight, which was considered a very big fight at the time. The industry didn't view Lewis as a PPV fighter, only Holyfield. In fact, in '98, the Holyfield vs. Lewis fight was called off because HBO didn't believe it could do a million buys. Yet, it did 1.2 million in the end. why? Because the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world is a very powerful concept.

As for Pacquiao, he did 300 or 400k in his fights before the Mayweather fight. His days of a million buys were behind him. He did 400k vs. Algieri, Mayweather did 900 or a million in the Maidana rematch. Together, they did 4.5 million. You can't just add the buys of each fighter to predict the total when they fight each other. There's way more to it than that.




Very few fighters in boxing history have reached "every fight is a PPV" status. When every fight is a PPV, you end up with marketplace fatigue. Even Canelo, the big cash cow in boxing, had a flop with the Smith fight and had HBO stayed in boxing, the Fielding fight was going to be on HBO, not PPV.

Wilder vs. Breazeale isn't going to be on PPV because Wilder didn't want it to be on PPV. Pretty simple. The fight would have probably done between 200 and 250 thousand buys. Generally, if a fight is only going to do 200 thousand buys, Showtime would rather put the fight on Showtime and they do have the budget to pay for a 200 thousand buy level fight to put it on Showtime. Did Wilder leave money on the table? If it would have done 250, then probably yes.

However, it looks like PBC's plan is to build to Wilder vs. Klitschko, so the little bit of money Wilder gives up putting Breazeale on Showtime, he'll make up on the back end when the Klitschko fight does better numbers from him getting Showtime exposure for the Breazeale fight.

alot of these guys have a hard time understand this basic concept

canelo vs smith/canelo vs khan doesnt not equal ggg/canelo
ggg/jacobs/ggg vs lemiuex does not equal canelo/ggg

same as

wilder vs fury/wilder vs ortiz doesnt equal wilder/joshua
joshua vs povetkin/joshua/miller doesnt equal joshua/wilder

some of these clowns want to act like they do though

[Fabes88]

That was the era where 300k was considered a failure on PPV, which is why Lewis' subsequent fights weren't on PPV, including the Shannon Briggs fight, which was considered a very big fight at the time. The industry didn't view Lewis as a PPV fighter, only Holyfield. In fact, in '98, the Holyfield vs. Lewis fight was called off because HBO didn't believe it could do a million buys. Yet, it did 1.2 million in the end. why? Because the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world is a very powerful concept.

As for Pacquiao, he did 300 or 400k in his fights before the Mayweather fight. His days of a million buys were behind him. He did 400k vs. Algieri, Mayweather did 900 or a million in the Maidana rematch. Together, they did 4.5 million. You can't just add the buys of each fighter to predict the total when they fight each other. There's way more to it than that.




Very few fighters in boxing history have reached "every fight is a PPV" status. When every fight is a PPV, you end up with marketplace fatigue. Even Canelo, the big cash cow in boxing, had a flop with the Smith fight and had HBO stayed in boxing, the Fielding fight was going to be on HBO, not PPV.

Wilder vs. Breazeale isn't going to be on PPV because Wilder didn't want it to be on PPV. Pretty simple. The fight would have probably done between 200 and 250 thousand buys. Generally, if a fight is only going to do 200 thousand buys, Showtime would rather put the fight on Showtime and they do have the budget to pay for a 200 thousand buy level fight to put it on Showtime. Did Wilder leave money on the table? If it would have done 250, then probably yes.

However, it looks like PBC's plan is to build to Wilder vs. Klitschko, so the little bit of money Wilder gives up putting Breazeale on Showtime, he'll make up on the back end when the Klitschko fight does better numbers from him getting Showtime exposure for the Breazeale fight.

wilder vs klitchko? Wow Id like for that fight to happen but I don’t see wlad taming it at this point. But I agree a few years ago a klitchko fight would’ve been the rub wilder needs to push him to that next level

[Fabes88]

alot of these guys have a hard time understand this basic concept

canelo vs smith/canelo vs khan doesnt not equal ggg/canelo
ggg/jacobs/ggg vs lemiuex does not equal canelo/ggg

same as

wilder vs fury/wilder vs ortiz doesnt equal wilder/joshua
joshua vs povetkin/joshua/miller doesnt equal joshua/wilder

some of these clowns want to act like they do though

It’s because other clowns keep saying joshua is unknown in the us. If he’s so unknown why are you guys so confident it does over a million more buys than the fury fight? Pick a lane.

[OgTripleOg]

Boxing isn’t one of our major events really. There’s no annual “big boxing” event. Our major events are the fa cup, Wimbledon, grand national, silverstone gp and there’s the six nations as well.

If there’s a big fight on it will be a big deal but to try and say boxing is the number 1 sport and there’s nothing happening outside of it just simply isn’t true. Just because people get drunk and sing, doesn’t make it a major event. We get drunk and sing at the cricket too

I never said it was you #1 sport but I'm saying the reason why you guys might sell out soccer stadiums is cause boxing is a big thing over there but most people that go don't know **** about boxing, they just came to drink and karaoke with a bunch of dudes but that's why your tickets cost bubble gum.

[Curt Henning]

It’s because other clowns keep saying joshua is unknown in the us. If he’s so unknown why are you guys so confident it does over a million more buys than the fury fight? Pick a lane.

"other clowns" are saying something....yet its "you guys" who are so confident? then it would appear that "us guys" are different than "other clowns"....we cant really be both "you guys" and "other guys"

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wilder vs klitchko? Wow Id like for that fight to happen but I don’t see wlad taming it at this point. But I agree a few years ago a klitchko fight would’ve been the rub wilder needs to push him to that next level

When Hearn was stalling Joshua, Haymon made a power move and turned to Fury. Now that Arum is stalling Fury, Haymon is making a power move and trying to get Klitschko. It's a fluid situation. Klitschko is still advised by Finkel and the DAZN offer was massive, but Haymon beat the offer and now DAZN is trying to counter. Whether they pull off Klitschko or not, that is the carrot PBC dangled to keep Wilder for now.