Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[N/A]

this offer to wilder is the most concrete step toward actually making the fight there’s been

No, the most concrete step towards making the fight was a no strings attached 50 million. No rematch clause. No nonsense. 50 million, plus 50% of upside. No options given to Haymon, no multifight extension with Showtime. No nothing. You want 50 million? Here's your 50 million.

What DAZN did here was try to force Wilder to put his mandatory on DAZN, the Joshua fight on DAZN, the rematch on DAZN, a fourth fight on DAZN. DAZN DAZN DAZN DAZN.

That's not how you try to make a fight in good faith.

How you make this fight in good faith is you agree on a fair split, then sell the fight to the highest bidder.

[aboutfkntime]

Shelly finkel confirmed it was a very good offer and that the aj fight and a rematch were included. Finkel’s hangup was, he didn’t know how much aj was gonna make. Apparently I know just a little bit more than you if you missed that. You keep blabbing about wilder getting advice from insiders...well one of them isn’t you, so stfu and admit you aren’t really sure why he would turn down an offer like that.

I have painted you a picture son

I think that Arum is likely 100% correct

especially with the current landscape..... of Fury waiting to maximize his position before the Wilder rematch..... and Joshua doing his thing with Pulev/Usyk/whoever

Wilder needs to make his own path..... not wait for handouts from the guys who offered him 12m

no wait, so...... the dedicated professionals Haymon/Espinoza, who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career, cannot be trusted..... but the sleazy snake who offered Wilder 12m, then lost his pen, then lied about it for MONTHS..... can be trusted?

is that your story..... ?

really ?

and the funny thing is..... over the last two days, I am not the only who painted your dumb ass a picture.....

" We knew that Shelly knows how to count money and we thought they would see that while it looked like a tremendous amount of money, in reality, if everything broke the right way, it would be shortchanging Wilder "

" Loyalty means if you are generally in the same neighborhood with the financial opportunities, I think loyalty is the tie-breaker to stay with who got you there. And I think that’s the situation. So that’s why I think it’s important to emphasize that Deontay isn’t making a financial sacrifice "

kid..... your lame excuses to justify why AJ shat the bed and ducked Wilder..... are quite frankly ridiculous, and exhausted

just so ya know

well done again, short-bus

[aboutfkntime]

No, the most concrete step towards making the fight was a no strings attached 50 million. No rematch clause. No nonsense. 50 million, plus 50% of upside. No options given to Haymon, no multifight extension with Showtime. No nothing. You want 50 million? Here's your 50 million.

What DAZN did here was try to force Wilder to put his mandatory on DAZN, the Joshua fight on DAZN, the rematch on DAZN, a fourth fight on DAZN. DAZN DAZN DAZN DAZN.

That's not how you try to make a fight in good faith.

How you make this fight in good faith is you agree on a fair split, then sell the fight to the highest bidder.

that kid is just an excuse-making ****head..... like the rest

like I have been saying for months..... it has been clearly obvious who really wants to fight, and who does not..... there are logical adults who know whats up, and there are excuse-making children..... who also know whats up lol

[Real King Kong]

No, the most concrete step towards making the fight was a no strings attached 50 million. No rematch clause. No nonsense. 50 million, plus 50% of upside. No options given to Haymon, no multifight extension with Showtime. No nothing. You want 50 million? Here's your 50 million.

What DAZN did here was try to force Wilder to put his mandatory on DAZN, the Joshua fight on DAZN, the rematch on DAZN, a fourth fight on DAZN. DAZN DAZN DAZN DAZN.

That's not how you try to make a fight in good faith.

How you make this fight in good faith is you agree on a fair split, then sell the fight to the highest bidder.

I'm not sure how concrete about that 50mil was. all the details you state, were still in question, because it never really got off the ground. as far as dazn, they were trying to sign wilder, not just make the fight. he said he's a free agent, so I don't see the issue.

[N/A]

I'm not sure how concrete about that 50mil was. all the details you state, were still in question, because it never really got off the ground.

The initial email from Deontay included all of the major details that would typically be included in a boxing term sheet.

Subsequently, Hearn negotiated for weeks with Haymon. According to Hearn, he had a lot of questions and Haymon answered all of his questions. According to Hearn, most of the answers were what he was looking for, a couple answers needed to be clarified, but none of the answers were deal breakers.

In the same interview where Hearn said that, he also said that it was looking like Joshua wanted the fight in the UK and would be passing on the US offer. But he made it clear the offer was legit and both sides had been going back and forth.

as far as dazn, they were trying to sign wilder, not just make the fight. he said he's a free agent, so I don't see the issue.

Almost all of Haymon's guys are free agents. By design. With no interest in signing mutifight deals with anyone. Haymon's entire business model is to do everything fight by fight. So you can understand why a four fight deal for one of Haymon's top stars might be a deal breaker. Once the fighter gets used to controlling their own destiny, they never want to go back to being stuck under someone's thumb. Which is why DAZN has been rejected by pretty much all of Haymon's stars, even though they are "free agents."

[Real King Kong]

I have painted you a picture son

I think that Arum is likely 100% correct

especially with the current landscape..... of Fury waiting to maximize his position before the Wilder rematch..... and Joshua doing his thing with Pulev/Usyk/whoever

Wilder needs to make his own path..... not wait for handouts from the guys who offered him 12m

no wait, so...... the dedicated professionals Haymon/Espinoza, who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career, cannot be trusted..... but the sleazy snake who offered Wilder 12m, then lost his pen, then lied about it for MONTHS..... can be trusted?

is that your story..... ?

really ?

and the funny thing is..... over the last two days, I am not the only who painted your dumb ass a picture.....

" We knew that Shelly knows how to count money and we thought they would see that while it looked like a tremendous amount of money, in reality, if everything broke the right way, it would be shortchanging Wilder "

" Loyalty means if you are generally in the same neighborhood with the financial opportunities, I think loyalty is the tie-breaker to stay with who got you there. And I think that’s the situation. So that’s why I think it’s important to emphasize that Deontay isn’t making a financial sacrifice "

kid..... your lame excuses to justify why AJ shat the bed and ducked Wilder..... are quite frankly ridiculous, and exhausted

just so ya know

well done again, short-bus

you got the order wrong. fury chose to go a differ direction rather than face wilder, and it looks like wilder chose to go a different direction rather than face aj...so now aj is being forced to find another path. by your own logic, wilder is "ducking" aj...end of story...that's why you still wanna talk about last year.

[aboutfkntime]

The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $5m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $15m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans now say Wilder is ducking at $40m and that it was a good deal.

The first two statements weren't true at the time yet the AJ fans were all up in arms about how Wilder was a chump who was ducking AJ. It was funny how certain people here - mostly from a particular region in the world - have stamped their feet and thrown temper tantrums about how Wilder was a coward. Not a week went by without a new thread from some of these folks. Considering the short amount of time that has passed and the amount that the offers have risen, it shows that all those fanboys were wrong - those deals ****** all along as some of us said they did. They were chump change deals and now everyone knows it. Time to apologize, fanboys. You were and are wrong.

Somehow though the narrative hasn't changed yet from those same trash posters because they're not mature enough to admit it. They instead continue to double (triple?) down on their own idiocy. They still claim Wilder is ducking AJ. Guess what? He didn't duck him then and he isn't ducking now. And for the millionth time I will say that I believe AJ has the upper hand in a match between him and Wilder. When that fight happens I'm putting money on AJ.

So let's get this out there. Wilder's pattern isn't ducking and it's actually quite consistent. Instead, Wilder has and continues to bet on himself. He could have taken the guaranteed low-ball money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. And that belief has been rewarded as he banks more in each fight. Now he's talking big time numbers. He's like a poker player and his pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so.

As for my personal take, I'm inclined to believe that the current offers are good. I think we're finally into the ballpark of what is the reasonable market rate. Without knowing any more I probably would have taken it. But I'm not privy to all the offers Wilder has received and I doubt anyone else here is either. It may be that by waiting another 3 months and KOing Breazeale - if he does - could up that offer to $200M over 3-4 fights. We simply don't know what the maximum upside is since undefeated heavyweights historically have always commanded the most money. It could be that by holding out just a few more months and another win both he and Joshua could make money that makes the Floyd-Pac gate look small. If Wilder thinks (or more likely if it's already down on paper) that he could make more by winning his next one and then signing then he's just betting on himself which is what he's done consistently. It could be a smart move or his run at the table could end suddenly and all those potential riches would instantly evaporate. That's the risk he's taking and we'll see if it pays off or whether it's one of the dumbest business decisions in boxing history.

the ****heads who insisted that 15m was a great offer, look pretty dumb right about now..... the chief ****head being Eddie Hearn

why do people NEED to have an opinion, about something they know nothing about?

[aboutfkntime]

dont forget the 12.5 they said was a good deal even though their side refused to guarantee the one stipulation wilder had

these guys act like they were supposed to fight each other NEXT...but they werent

wilder can still go to him when hes done with miller

what hearn and DAZN wont like is that wilders side is going to want half and half of the fighters money for wilder....something AJ's people surely thought was impossible mere months ago....but wilder can get it....but AJs team is going to have to swallow a bitter pill.....they have now shown wilder is worth something.....surely when wilder insists on half they will say "hes only worth that money if hes with us"....because all they were trying to do is reduce their risk

they arent going to like having to give half to wilder...which is what wilder will ask for after AJ beats miller

they had Wilder on the hook for 15m..... BUT THEY PASSED

making the LIONS share, was not a good enough reason for AJ to fight Wilder.....

and yet..... the ****head brigade still accuse Wilder of ducking

unbelievable

[aboutfkntime]

the AJ fans have taken multiple L's in the "duck game" so far...so much that lennox, froch, parker, fury and khan all admitted it.....so they are desperate to take home a W....so much that they are claiming a duck when both guys had prior fights planned for spring/summer and the DAZN deal had those fights included...lol

Fury, Khan, Lewis, Froch, Warren have ALL said that AJ is ducking

AJ refused the 50m he demanded..... then he refused to sign the 15m deal that Wilder accepted

you literally could not paint a clearer picture for the AJ fcukboys

[aboutfkntime]

you fcukboys are unbelievable

and you appear to be the SAME fcukboys who ****** off Golovkin

another OBVIOUS bullshlt artist

grow up and find some pride from somewhere, you losers