Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[aboutfkntime]

Turning down the 50 million may have been smart business on Joshua's part. The criticism isn't turning down 50 million. The criticism is proclaiming "bring me 50 million and I'll sign tomorrow," having the money presented, and still refusing to fight. That was Joshua's **** up.

yep

that..... and offering Wilder a 15m lowball, but then rejecting the fight when he accepted

how the fk could they not make it happen when Wilder accepted 15m lmao

that will look ******ed in hindsight, when they eventually make that fight and announce Wilders guarantee

that actually puts in perspective how long it will probably take for that fight to finally get over the line..... it could rival Pac/Mayweather

I would say 2021/2022..... when every possible fighter who could be even loosely regarded as an opponent has been fully and utterly exhausted..... and the fans have nearly given up

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I would say 2021/2022..... when every possible fighter who could be even loosely regarded as an opponent has been fully and utterly exhausted..... and the fans have nearly given up

Which normally works out great for both sides (assuming they keep winning).

But two things to keep in mind.

#1 - By 2021/2022, DAZN may have cut bait on Matchroom. Only the first two years of the deal are guaranteed.

#2 - By 2021/2022, Joshua may not be with Matchroom. His contract will have expired. If Hearn doesn't deliver Wilder or Fury, and maybe not even Whyte if Whyte goes with ESPN, who does Joshua fight?

Arum/Warren coming after that WBO title hard. Will do whatever it takes to get it vacated.

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At the end of the day the criticism is of what people perceive as delaying the fight...on both sides, the he said gossip doesn’t really matter. People want to see the fight, and they’re looking for a reason to blame someone for it not happening.

Agree 100%, but want to add that they're looking for a reason to blame someone from the opponent's side.

The A-side has the most fans, therefore the board will be flooded with blame for Wilder. But usually the A-side has the most incentive to stall and any objective analysis of the facts indicated the Joshua side is to blame for the fight not happening in 2018.

Now, Wilder is holding out for 50/50. He doesn't deserve 50/50 yet. So if people want to blame him for the fight not happening in 2019, that's a fair criticism.

But he got jerked around so bad in 2018, I understand him saying **** it, I'll just keep building my profile until they gotta give me 50/50. And he may just get his way. It's not like Joshua is going to get that much more popular in the UK. His US appeal will always be limited. But if Wilder establishes himself as a US PPV star, he becomes worthy of 50/50 and maybe even more. If he wants to bet on himself, god bless him.

[Real King Kong]

Agree 100%, but want to add that they're looking for a reason to blame someone from the opponent's side.

The A-side has the most fans, therefore the board will be flooded with blame for Wilder. But usually the A-side has the most incentive to stall and any objective analysis of the facts indicated the Joshua side is to blame for the fight not happening in 2018.

Now, Wilder is holding out for 50/50. He doesn't deserve 50/50 yet. So if people want to blame him for the fight not happening in 2019, that's a fair criticism.

But he got jerked around so bad in 2018, I understand him saying **** it, I'll just keep building my profile until they gotta give me 50/50. And he may just get his way. It's not like Joshua is going to get that much more popular in the UK. His US appeal will always be limited. But if Wilder establishes himself as a US PPV star, he becomes worthy of 50/50 and maybe even more. If he wants to bet on himself, god bless him.

He’s definitely rolling the dice. If he loses in between, he’s not likely to see that kind of $$$. I get that he trusts his team, cuz they helped him become a guy who gets offered 100mil, which would have sounded ridiculous 1-2 yrs ago, but this could very well blow up in his face. On the other hand, if he wants to control his own destiny and ends up making 20-30 mil less in the long run, who really gives a ****...he’ll still have made big time $. But if the goal is to do better, it’s hard to see a scenario where that happens.

[aboutfkntime]

I’m not digging through the posts, but I don’t recall saying there’s “no possible justification” or has “no right/justification” to make any decision.

I do.....

You have no real argument why wilder would turn down 120mil and potentially further delay the fight.....

it may very well work out in wilder’s favour not accepting the offer.....

be consistent.

The comedy here is you not even batting an eye at wilder refusing a concrete 100mil offer and a sure path to the fight, while you’ve been criticizing aj for the past year+ for what you believe is the same thing lol. As of now, it’s still up in the air the same as it was before, and this time it was undoubtedly wilder’s doing...all your talk about the past alleged offers etc, doesn’t erase the fact that wilder just did that.

nah, the comedy is.....

..... you, insisting that there is no possible justification for Wilder refusing that deal, from one side of your face..... but that admitting that it may be in Wilders best interest to refuse that deal, from the other side of your face..... and then still attempting to use the fact that Wilder refused that deal to cover up/justify Hearn and Joshua avoiding that fight by lying, lowballing, and then losing their pen.....

it happened.....

..... you need to accept the fact that Wilder is making his own path..... they realize that Joshua may - or may not - be ready in the future..... but he obviously aint ready now..... so they are moving on with Wilders career, and will likely only re-enter negotiations for that fight on their terms..... which will be closer to a level-footing than it is now

Wilder moved on when it became obvious that Hearn/Joshua had no intention of fighting him..... don't know how you can't see that, or why you can't accept it

he got them their 50m guarantee..... and he accepted their 15m lowball..... so Wilder is 100% well-aware there is nothing more that can be done

I am sure that Haymon/Espinoza are giving him good advice

better advice than the snakes who offered him 15m LMAO

..... wilder refusing a concrete 100mil offer and a sure path to the fight

cool story bro !!

Wilder accepted their (paltry) 15m terms last time, and Fast Eddie still refused to include wording in the contract that guaranteed Joshua next

you have NO idea what was in that contract this time..... so, hop back in your peddle-car..... and stop telling grown men what - and what is not - the best decision for their future

I am sure that Haymon/Espinoza (the two insiders who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career)..... are giving him good advice

[Real King Kong]

I do.....








nah, the comedy is.....

..... you, insisting that there is no possible justification for Wilder refusing that deal, from one side of your face..... but that admitting that it may be in Wilders best interest to refuse that deal, from the other side of your face..... and then still attempting to use the fact that Wilder refused that deal to cover up/justify Hearn and Joshua avoiding that fight by lying, lowballing, and then losing their pen.....

it happened.....

..... you need to accept the fact that Wilder is making his own path..... they realize that Joshua may - or may not - be ready in the future..... but he obviously aint ready now..... so they are moving on with Wilders career, and will likely only re-enter negotiations for that fight on their terms..... which will be closer to a level-footing than it is now

Wilder moved on when it became obvious that Hearn/Joshua had no intention of fighting him..... don't know how you can't see that, or why you can't accept it

he got them their 50m guarantee..... and he accepted their 15m lowball..... so Wilder is 100% well-aware there is nothing more that can be done

I am sure that Haymon/Espinoza are giving him good advice

better advice than the snakes who offered him 15m LMAO





cool story bro !!

Wilder accepted their (paltry) 15m terms last time, and Fast Eddie still refused to include wording in the contract that guaranteed Joshua next

you have NO idea what was in that contract this time..... so, hop back in your peddle-car..... and stop telling grown men what - and what is not - the best decision for their future

I am sure that Haymon/Espinoza (the two insiders who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career)..... are giving him good advice

I was responding to your post, saying you had no good reason...and you still don’t, other than, his team said it may work out if things go according to plan...which I’m sure you would find perfectly acceptable if it came from Eddie Hearn lol. You cried for a year about Hearn “delaying the fight” and turning down the alleged 50 mil “offer”...and here we have wilder and his team confirming they’ve turned down a legitimate 100-120mil offer and sure path to the aj fight and you want to sweep it under the rug and continue crying about last year...it’s embarrassing really. Regardless of how it plays out, in this instance, you’re a tool.

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I was responding to your post, saying you had no good reason...and you still don’t, other than, his team said it may work out if things go according to plan...which I’m sure you would find perfectly acceptable if it came from Eddie Hearn lol. You cried for a year about Hearn “delaying the fight” and turning down the alleged 50 mil “offer”...and here we have wilder and his team confirming they’ve turned down a legitimate 100-120mil offer and sure path to the aj fight and you want to sweep it under the rug and continue crying about last year...it’s embarrassing really. Regardless of how it plays out, in this instance, you’re a tool.

You have no real argument why wilder would turn down 120mil and potentially further delay the fight.....

it may very well work out in wilder’s favour not accepting the offer.....

be consistent.

loooool

[aboutfkntime]

hop back in your peddle-car..... and stop trying to tell professional fighters what - and what is not - the best decision for their career

bltch, you are embarrassing yourself.....

..... you clowns said that Wilder should have taken the 15m, and then you watched him get offered 100m

how horribly wrong did you get it last time, and yet now..... you still think that you have words of wisdom for a grown adult?

bltch puh-leez..... no offer from DAZN (nor from anyone else) will erase the blatant ducking from Team Joshua..... IT HAPPENED KID!!

I think you should STFU and find something worthwhile to do with your life..... making silly excuses for hypejobs is not your best work

[Real King Kong]

loooool

Still no good reason wilder would pass on the 100-120mil that’s consistent with your past criticism of Hearn huh? That’s what I thought. There isn’t much difference at all between you and the “Hearn can do no wrong” crowd, you just picked a different side.

[aboutfkntime]

Still no good reason wilder would pass on the 100-120mil that’s consistent with your past criticism of Hearn huh? That’s what I thought. There isn’t much difference at all between you and the “Hearn can do no wrong” crowd, you just picked a different side.

why are you ALWAYS riding the short bus..... ?

like I told you earlier, this was GREAT advice.....

hop back in your peddle-car..... and stop trying to tell professional fighters what - and what is not - the best decision for their career

“It is refreshing, but it’s not surprising coming from Deontay,” Espinoza said of Wilder’s loyalty. “This will be our 12th fight together. We’ve spent a fair amount of time together and I know he’s a loyal guy. But that’s not the end of the conversation. Loyalty doesn’t mean that you dance with who brought you, even if it means taking one-tenth of what’s available on the open market. That’s not the kind of loyalty we would ever expect. Loyalty means if you are generally in the same neighborhood with the financial opportunities, I think loyalty is the tie-breaker to stay with who got you there. And I think that’s the situation. So that’s why I think it’s important to emphasize that Deontay isn’t making a financial sacrifice.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/espinoza-wilder-criticized-less-if-people-knew-purse--137437

so, it looks like I was right here as well.....

bltch, you are embarrassing yourself.....

..... you clowns said that Wilder should have taken the 15m, and then you watched him get offered 100m

how horribly wrong did you get it last time, and yet now..... you still think that you have words of wisdom for a grown adult?

like a wise man once told you.....

I think you should STFU and find something worthwhile to do with your life..... making silly excuses for hypejobs is not your best work

I bet you wish I hadn't seen that article from Espinoza this morning