Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Deyonce been picking peanuts in the Alabama fields compared to the kings ransom AJ makes.

Put down the crackpipe.

[Real King Kong]

The initial email from Deontay included all of the major details that would typically be included in a boxing term sheet.

Subsequently, Hearn negotiated for weeks with Haymon. According to Hearn, he had a lot of questions and Haymon answered all of his questions. According to Hearn, most of the answers were what he was looking for, a couple answers needed to be clarified, but none of the answers were deal breakers.

In the same interview where Hearn said that, he also said that it was looking like Joshua wanted the fight in the UK and would be passing on the US offer. But he made it clear the offer was legit and both sides had been going back and forth.




Almost all of Haymon's guys are free agents. By design. With no interest in signing mutifight deals with anyone. Haymon's entire business model is to do everything fight by fight. So you can understand why a four fight deal for one of Haymon's top stars might be a deal breaker. Once the fighter gets used to controlling their own destiny, they never want to go back to being stuck under someone's thumb. Which is why DAZN has been rejected by pretty much all of Haymon's stars, even though they are "free agents."

Well there were other things to consider when it came to that offer, like the fact that Joshua would basically be giving up full control to wilders team and how his existing partnership with sky would be dealt with. I mean, you’re saying wilder was right to reject the dazn offer because he would basically be giving dazn too much control. I get there’s a difference between one fight and a 3 fight deal, but aj wasn’t really in the position to have anything dictated to him. I don’t really care about anyone calling that a “duck”, but it was really a business decision and probably the correct one. The same could be said for wilder in this case, but he’s taking more of a risk here imo.

[Real King Kong]

First point is totally valid, second point is a smoke screen. Showtime released the portion of the contract dealing with UK rights and it stated the fight would be on Sky. During negotiations Finkel repeatedly said public the fight could be on Sky as long as they made a fair offer. This was never about forcing AJ to fight on BT. Showtime wanted the US rights. There was no issue with Sky having the UK rights. Since when does a US network try to get a huge British star to come over for a big fight, but then refused to let the British star's network show the fight? That was all excuses by Hearn after the fact to save face after turning down the fight.

Now, out of principle, I could totally understand the A-side saying, I will never be brought in as the opponent, not at any price.

AJ's **** up was believing Hearn that the fight wasn't worth 100 in the US. His whole thing asking for 50 was, I don't believe it's worth 100 in the US, if it's really worth 100, give me 50 and I'll sign tomorrow. He never, for one second, expected them to give him 50, because Hearn was telling him the fight was only worth 50 in the US and giving him 50 would mean a 100/0 split.

Well it’s doubtful it was worth that much at the time, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they did accept. It was probably the best case scenario for wilder’s side in the court of public opinion...they called a bluff and didn’t get called on what might have been one by them. It looks like everyone is hoping for hw boxing to make a resurgence in the American market at this point...there isn’t much reason to keep holding out otherwise.

[Bullrider]

So how much Wilder is worth now without associating AJ and Fury?

[aboutfkntime]

So how much Wilder is worth now without associating AJ and Fury?

12m

no, wait..... 15m, that was it

aah shlt, no that's right..... 40m, was the last word

or is it 50m now..... ?

no idea

he could conceivably make 100m+ from 2x Joshua fights

SHOULD he win the first, that is

is that what you were asking..... ?

[Earl-Hickey]

Wilder isn't serious.

He's 34 in a few months and his window of when he "maybe" had a chance vs AJ is gone

He will step into the ring vs AJ at 36 years old and get blasted, oh but he'll get paid.

AJ is his end of career retirement fund, nothing more.

[creekrat77]

Wilder isn't serious.

He's 34 in a few months and his window of when he "maybe" had a chance vs AJ is gone

He will step into the ring vs AJ at 36 years old and get blasted, oh but he'll get paid.

AJ is his end of career retirement fund, nothing more.

That's what it's looking like. The parallels of managing Floyd and Wilder are hard to ignore. Conventional wisdom would say why not show some rapidity to take out your main rival and build on the momentum to bigger and better things. But Wilders camp are thinking small just like Floyd was. We could have had a May-Pac trilogy and they probably would have made the same amount (or exponentially more) as they did picking off lesser contenders for years, to finally fight once, when the interest had been gone for years.
ESPN, entertainment biz or the sports world at large generally is giving boxing a huge window to rebound and do something great. We're in a lull right now where everyone is tired of the NFLs bullsht with grown men on their knees like btches. International boxing is as interesting as it gets especially with social media now a days. Wilder and AJ should be being groomed to make a big spectacle for the mainstream sport world. But it's Wilder and his camp who just seem completely incompetent to get a deal made.

[creekrat77]

Would you rather work once or work three times for the same pay as working once?

So if they fought 2 more times they'd make nothing? I think they'd make more fighting each other 3 times from 2010-2013 and retiring than what they ended up doing from 09 to now. Excluding that McGregor fight.

[Bullrider]

12m

no, wait..... 15m, that was it

aah shlt, no that's right..... 40m, was the last word

or is it 50m now..... ?

no idea

he could conceivably make 100m+ from 2x Joshua fights

SHOULD he win the first, that is

is that what you were asking..... ?

Wilder is worth $1 mil again fighting Breazeale.

Would you want me to repeat my question?

Wilder is a nobody without Fury and AJ.

[aboutfkntime]

Wilder is worth $1 mil again fighting Breazeale.

Would you want me to repeat my question?

Wilder is a nobody without Fury and AJ.

and yet, he will get at least 50% with Fury and at least 40% with AJ

so yea..... bollocks !!