Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[Real King Kong]

why are you ALWAYS riding the short bus..... ?

like I told you earlier, this was GREAT advice.....



“It is refreshing, but it’s not surprising coming from Deontay,” Espinoza said of Wilder’s loyalty. “This will be our 12th fight together. We’ve spent a fair amount of time together and I know he’s a loyal guy. But that’s not the end of the conversation. Loyalty doesn’t mean that you dance with who brought you, even if it means taking one-tenth of what’s available on the open market. That’s not the kind of loyalty we would ever expect. Loyalty means if you are generally in the same neighborhood with the financial opportunities, I think loyalty is the tie-breaker to stay with who got you there. And I think that’s the situation. So that’s why I think it’s important to emphasize that Deontay isn’t making a financial sacrifice.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/espinoza-wilder-criticized-less-if-people-knew-purse--137437

so, it looks like I was right here as well.....





like a wise man once told you.....

I think you should STFU and find something worthwhile to do with your life..... making silly excuses for hypejobs is not your best work

I bet you wish I hadn't seen that article from Espinoza this morning

lol, of course Espinoza is gonna say that. like I said, you wouldn't accept the same from eddie hearn. I never said he should accept the 15 mil, but the 100-120mil...I'd say so, in interest of making the fight if nothing else. it's his decision and I respect that, but at the end of the day, he's the guy who's been saying he's a "free agent" and that he's been chasing a fight with AJ for a year...now all of the sudden it's 'loyalty doe"...'big fights gotta marinate doe". if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd be having your usual spazz, but since you picked that side, you ride with their bs just for the sake of not backing down in an argument. we could still get the fight next, but it would have been definite if wilder didn't walk. you've called AJ out on "ducking" at every point of failed negotiation...so why not wilder in this instance?

[aboutfkntime]

lol, of course Espinoza is gonna say that. like I said, you wouldn't accept the same from eddie hearn. I never said he should accept the 15 mil, but the 100-120mil...I'd say so, in interest of making the fight if nothing else. it's his decision and I respect that.....

excellent, glad we finally got that sorted

..... but at the end of the day, he's the guy who's been saying he's a "free agent" and that he's been chasing a fight with AJ for a year...now all of the sudden it's 'loyalty doe"...'big fights gotta marinate doe". if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd be having your usual spazz, but since you picked that side, you ride with their bs just for the sake of not backing down in an argument. we could still get the fight next, but it would have been definite if wilder didn't walk. you've called AJ out on "ducking" at every point of failed negotiation...so why not wilder in this instance?

whoah !!

back up

I pointed out which side was ducking..... and I did that, because it was clearly obvious

like I said earlier..... why do you ALWAYS ride the short bus?

If you " pick sides ", like you just accused me of doing..... then you need to learn to pick better

like the tards who somehow decided that Golovkin was a real fighter and Canelo wasn't

no wait..... that was you as well, wasn't it short-bus ?

[aboutfkntime]

lol, of course Espinoza is gonna say that.

so, we will just sit back and wait for Wilder to correct him, right ?

like how Joshua corrects Hearn, when he talks rubbish ?

I think that Arum is likely 100% correct

especially with the current landscape..... of Fury waiting to maximize his position before the Wilder rematch..... and Joshua doing his thing with Pulev/Usyk/whoever

Wilder needs to make his own path..... not wait for handouts from the guys who offered him 12m

no wait, so...... the dedicated professionals Haymon/Espinoza, who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career, cannot be trusted..... but the sleazy snake who offered Wilder 12m, then lost his pen, then lied about it for MONTHS..... can be trusted?

is that your story..... ?

really ?

like I said earlier..... when it became CLEARLY obvious who wanted that fight, and who did not..... you just had to sit back and wait for the muppets to crawl out of the woodwork making excuses, right on cue

[Real King Kong]

excellent, glad we finally got that sorted







whoah !!

back up

I pointed out which side was ducking..... and I did that, because it was clearly obvious

like I said earlier..... why do you ALWAYS ride the short bus?

If you " pick sides ", like you just accused me of doing..... then you need to learn to pick better

like the tards who somehow decided that Golovkin was a real fighter and Canelo wasn't

no wait..... that was you as well, wasn't it short-bus ?

I don't really have a side in this, I just disagreed with you're assessment of the situation, which caused you to label me as whatever internet "enemy" you think you're heroically battling. I don't think anything is particularly "clear" when it comes to these 2 camps...there's a lot of mud slinging and misinformation. what is clear though, is that if you say what AJ was doing was "ducking" and "clearly obvious", then you have to say the same about wilder in this situation...unless you want to appear to be a hypocrite of course.

[Real King Kong]

so, we will just sit back and wait for Wilder to correct him, right ?

like how Joshua corrects Hearn, when he talks rubbish ?

I think that Arum is likely 100% correct

especially with the current landscape..... of Fury waiting to maximize his position before the Wilder rematch..... and Joshua doing his thing with Pulev/Usyk/whoever

Wilder needs to make his own path..... not wait for handouts from the guys who offered him 12m

no wait, so...... the dedicated professionals Haymon/Espinoza, who guided Mayweathers phenomenal career, cannot be trusted..... but the sleazy snake who offered Wilder 12m, then lost his pen, then lied about it for MONTHS..... can be trusted?

is that your story..... ?

really ?

like I said earlier..... when it became CLEARLY obvious who wanted that fight, and who did not..... you just had to sit back and wait for the muppets to crawl out of the woodwork making excuses, right on cue

let's not lump this in with what fury is doing. if wilder needs to make his own path, it's cuz he walked away from a definitive path to the AJ fight when he turned down the deal. I actually think it's possible wilder fights AJ within the next couple fights on dazn anyway...he'll probably just make a bit less in the long run. his choice, and what's a few mil when you're making 10s of millions. where it turns out to be a fail is, if he keeps fighting on regular showtime for significantly less and we don't get wilder vs fury 2 or wilder vs AJ.

[aboutfkntime]

I don't really have a side in this, I just disagreed with you're assessment of the situation, which caused you to label me as whatever internet "enemy" you think you're heroically battling. I don't think anything is particularly "clear" when it comes to these 2 camps...there's a lot of mud slinging and misinformation. what is clear though, is that if you say what AJ was doing was "ducking" and "clearly obvious", then you have to say the same about wilder in this situation...unless you want to appear to be a hypocrite of course.

yep..... lowballing someone, and then losing your pen when they accept..... is ducking..... no question

and that fact is obvious..... no question

fyi, there are no internet " enemies ".....

there are only silly ***wits who ignore the obvious

don't shoot the messenger, short-bus

[aboutfkntime]

let's not lump this in with what fury is doing. if wilder needs to make his own path, it's cuz he walked away from a definitive path to the AJ fight when he turned down the deal. I actually think it's possible wilder fights AJ within the next couple fights on dazn anyway...he'll probably just make a bit less in the long run. his choice, and what's a few mil when you're making 10s of millions. where it turns out to be a fail is, if he keeps fighting on regular showtime for significantly less and we don't get wilder vs fury 2 or wilder vs AJ.

you look like a fkn idiot saying rubbish like that

genius, they offered Wilder 15m..... and when he accepted, they ran for the hills

there is no " definitive path "..... so stop talking utter bollocks

this is how ****** you look to me..... Wilder has garnered the advice of a bunch of insiders, and some of those insiders are among the best in the business..... and yet, you disagree loooool

and you disagree for this reason..... " because ".....

and this is despite admitting that turning down that deal may work out in Wilders favor

GTFOH

you have no idea what was in the contract, no idea about the rematch terms, no idea about the opponent options..... lets face it, you know nothing Jon Snow LMAO

[Real King Kong]

yep..... lowballing someone, and then losing your pen when they accept..... is ducking..... no question

and that fact is obvious..... no question

fyi, there are no internet " enemies ".....

there are only silly ***wits who ignore the obvious

don't shoot the messenger, short-bus

There’s arguments from aj nut huggers that aren’t really any worse than yours. You just think they are because you probably believe you’re really smart. One could just as easily point the finger at either side. The problem is, to side with either, you have to believe/trust what they’re saying to some degree. In any case, this offer to wilder is the most concrete step toward actually making the fight there’s been...by your own logic, you’d have to also accuse him of ducking.

[Real King Kong]

you look like a fkn idiot saying rubbish like that

genius, they offered Wilder 15m..... and when he accepted, they ran for the hills

there is no " definitive path "..... so stop talking utter bollocks

this is how ****** you look to me..... Wilder has garnered the advice of a bunch of insiders, and some of those insiders are among the best in the business..... and yet, you disagree loooool

and you disagree for this reason..... " because ".....

and this is despite admitting that turning down that deal may work out in Wilders favor

GTFOH

you have no idea what was in the contract, no idea about the rematch terms, no idea about the opponent options..... lets face it, you know nothing Jon Snow LMAO

Shelly finkel confirmed it was a very good offer and that the aj fight and a rematch were included. Finkel’s hangup was, he didn’t know how much aj was gonna make. Apparently I know just a little bit more than you if you missed that. You keep blabbing about wilder getting advice from insiders...well one of them isn’t you, so stfu and admit you aren’t really sure why he would turn down an offer like that.

[aboutfkntime]

There’s arguments from aj nut huggers that aren’t really any worse than yours. You just think they are because you probably believe you’re really smart. One could just as easily point the finger at either side. The problem is, to side with either, you have to believe/trust what they’re saying to some degree. In any case, this offer to wilder is the most concrete step toward actually making the fight there’s been...by your own logic, you’d have to also accuse him of ducking.

really ?

did Joshua accept 15m, but then watch as Haymon lost his pen?

didn't think so