Are there any posters on here willing to admit they had Wilder wrong?

[champion4ever]

It would serve Wilder proper if he can cut all of these middleman out of his circle. Why on earth does he needs three mangers? He has too many people in his ear. I believe he should fire both Showtime, Shelly Finkel, Jay Deas, Al Haymon and Mark Breland.

None of those guys are doing anything to advance or further his career. He is the WBC's Heavyweight champion of the world and an American heavyweight champion at that.

He is the most Goddamn famous boxer in the world and is not being justly or fairly compensated for it. They are all taking unfair advantage of him because of his loyalty.

He should be bringing home more than $1.5mil paydays. The man can fight but the problem is he doesn't have a promoter.

If he was properly promoted and sold to the public as he should, then he wouldn't have any trouble bringing home the $25-$50 mil paydays that he so richly deserves. I hate to see him exploited the way he is.

Tyson, Ali and Holmes had Don King. Deontay Wilder has nobody giving him that kind of push which is sad. He needs a promoter who can create enough stir, awareness and buzz in order to promote his fights to the public.

[that g]

His most recent fight did much less. And he's sold no PPVs in the US. While Wilder's US PPV generated as much as Joshua's last UK PPV, but Wilder's fight was also on UK PPV. Meaning more PPV revenue overall for Wilder's last fight compared to Joshua.

I don't think Wilder deserves 50/50 yet, but he's getting closer and seems hell bent on building himself to the point where he can get parity. If the rumors are true that he's fighting Klitschko after Breazeale, knocking out Klitschko in New York will continue to raise Wilder's profile.

lol so now we're back to discounting everything a boxer has ever done and only counting the last fights.
well, wilder couldn't even beat a fighter who lost an adult human in weight and was coming off mental problems.

klitschko destroys wilder. not even close. that would be a mistake for wilder.

and by the way, the fact that wilder keeps trying to fight all these "big" names just so he can position himself for a better payday from an AJ fight should be all the red flag you need. unless you are just trying to be deluded. if he was so confident in beating AJ, there would be no need to build his profile. try to beat AJ now, so you can hold all the belts in perpetuity. it's not that hard.

[Granath]

Depends if you think Wilder beats AJ or not. If you really believe he beats him then Wilder should've taken the first offer, which I think would've yielded about 35m over two fights and which left him an American undisputed HW champion of the world and the first man to hold all 4 belts at that weight.

He would've become a global sensation overnight and countless endorsements would've followed. By now he would be well on the way to a billion dollar fortune because he'd still have a couple of years left at prime.

If you don't believe he can beat AJ then he was right to hold on and maximise his returns from this fight. Only however if he does eventually manage to put pen to paper. Until that happens he could be one unlucky punch or even training camp accident away from blowing a massive opportunity.

It doesn't "depend". Now if he had wanted to, he would have gotten about $100m for those same two fights. So yeah, $35m was peanuts and a totally unreasonable BS offer no matter how much someone wants to spin it.

One thing hasn't changed - Wilder is still betting on himself. He could have taken the certain money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. His pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? Perhaps, but it's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so.

[Holler]

It doesn't "depend". Now if he had wanted to, he would have gotten about $100m for those same two fights. So yeah, $35m was peanuts and a totally unreasonable BS offer no matter how much someone wants to spin it.

One thing hasn't changed - Wilder is still betting on himself. He could have taken the certain money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. His pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? Perhaps, but it's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so.

I don't think you've understood my point? If you think he wins the fight there's an opportunity cost in lost earnings for every day that he delays.

In any case, because an offer is higher now it doesn't mean the offer then was not a fair one. Situations change.

Finally, and as above, his chips only increase when he cashes them in. In theory he could keep on refusing ascending offers right up until he retires.

[Granath]

I don't think you've understood my point? If you think he wins the fight there's an opportunity cost in lost earnings for every day that he delays.

In any case, because an offer is higher now it doesn't mean the offer then was not a fair one. Situations change.

Finally, and as above, his chips only increase when he cashes them in. In theory he could keep on refusing ascending offers right up until he retires.

I only agree with you partly. You're right that he needs to cash in his chips at some point to realize his gains.

But nothing has changed so drastically in the last 12 months that Wilder is now over 10x worth what he was a year ago. Wilder's had one draw and that's it. That didn't make him suddenly marketable. It's simply that those offers were garbage. On the $15M Wilder deal some of us were estimating AJ's take to be in excess of $60M. Now the new offers bear out those numbers weren't too far off and in fact may have been low. They were absurdly one-sided and now everyone sees it.

The posters who had Wilder wrong were the AJ fanboys.

[chrisJS]

I only agree with you partly. You're right that he needs to cash in his chips at some point to realize his gains.

But nothing has changed so drastically in the last 12 months that Wilder is now over 10x worth what he was a year ago. Wilder's had one draw and that's it. That didn't make him suddenly marketable. It's simply that those offers were garbage. On the $15M Wilder deal some of us were estimating AJ's take to be in excess of $60M. Now the new offers bear out those numbers weren't too far off and in fact may have been low. They were absurdly one-sided and now everyone sees it.

The posters who had Wilder wrong were the AJ fanboys.

A year ago DAZN didn't exist and weren't throwing silly money around. People were saying GGG should take $5m flat for Canelo and he wasn't making more than $3-4 per fight now look at his guarantee.

DAZN throwing this insane money has changed the market dramatically and it's not that fighters were getting sold short a year ago it's simply that they weren't an option then and they are very ambitious and trying to dominate the market now.

DAZN is a drastic happening.

[LacedUp]

They aren't the side saying you can only get the fight if you jump ship and sign with our platform for 4 fights.

Whichever side is putting up road blocks is the side stalling things.

they are the side not doing anything at all.

[DaBeastO]

I always knew beyonce wilder is the one who is at fault for the fight not happening. wilder is delusional and cowardly. I'm ashamed that he's american.

[DaBeastO]

A year ago DAZN didn't exist and weren't throwing silly money around. People were saying GGG should take $5m flat for Canelo and he wasn't making more than $3-4 per fight now look at his guarantee.

DAZN throwing this insane money has changed the market dramatically and it's not that fighters were getting sold short a year ago it's simply that they weren't an option then and they are very ambitious and trying to dominate the market now.

DAZN is a drastic happening.

Wilde isn't worth it. I hope dazn doesn't offer that crazy deal. dazn won't be throwing around money for ever they will reach a limit. they should sign other good fighters with that money now since it's super clear wilder doesn't want to fight joshua. they need to stop entertaining beyonce he's delusional and a diva of the highest order.

[Mirror Universe]

lol so now we're back to discounting everything a boxer has ever done and only counting the last fights.

Not discounting anything. We agree Wilder doesn't deserve 50/50. He is closing the gap though. The offer has gone from 12.5 to 40. Clearly he's doing something right.