Are there any posters on here willing to admit they had Wilder wrong?

[Mirror Universe]

They didn't say no problem. That's a distorted lie.

They said:

• We won't tell you the terms
• You must publicly accept
• It wouldn't be productive to have a meeting
• We will own the promotion

All the key terms were included in the original offer. Hearn asked follow up questions, and by his own admission, all questions were answered to his satisfaction.

Only after Hearn decided to kill the fight did he start making up some of the excuses you're parroting.

[LacedUp]

All the key terms were included in the original offer. Hearn asked follow up questions, and by his own admission, all questions were answered to his satisfaction.

Only after Hearn decided to kill the fight did he start making up some of the excuses you're parroting.

That's a lie.

[Ray*]

Why would Fury being British help sell the PPV in the US? Doesn't really make sense. Wilder isn't barely known. He's been Showtime's biggest ratings draw for years. He had multiple fights on NBC and FOX do millions of viewers. He has nearly 2 million followers on Instagram. He starred in a popular reality show on TV here too. You don't live here. You just have Hearn telling you he's unknown. The numbers show Hearn is lying.




It doesn't matter what Hearn makes "plain" in an interview if Hearn is lying. Wilder and Joshua were both fighting on Showtime. Showtime wanted to make the fight. Wilder wanted to make the fight. What did Hearn do? Take Joshua to DAZN. Does that seem like something someone would do if they wanted to make the fight?




Fans lose out because PPV costs more, but there's no doubt the fighters would earn more on PPV. Unless DAZN increases their offer further. Which they might.

Making the fight isn't complicated. Put the fight where it makes the most money. Air it on the platform paying the most money. Do a rematch. Also where it makes the most on what makes the most. No strings attached beyond that. 60/40 AJ in fight one. 60/40 Wilder in fight two if he wins the first and 70/30 AJ if AJ wins the first.

That's an offer that would get the deal done. But Hearn has no incentive to do that deal. Hearn has to please DAZN regardless of what's best for AJ.

You sound like you don’t know much about the sport. Is Wilder next fight on PPV? If Hearn is “Lying” about Joshua being free to fight on any network in America does that mean Wilder is lying when he said he is a free agent? Last time I heard ****** aren’t free agents.

[Ray*]

He was desperate enough to accept 15 flat. He clearly wanted the fight. Now he's holding out for 50/50. If you want to call that a duck, go ahead. I'm sure we agree he's not worth 50/50 right now. But to say he never wanted the fight is inaccurate. He clearly wanted it.

If he was that desperate he would sign it not just “Accept it”..... months down the line Finkel “We never accept the terms” so you are not being accurate.

[Granath]

A year ago DAZN didn't exist and weren't throwing silly money around. People were saying GGG should take $5m flat for Canelo and he wasn't making more than $3-4 per fight now look at his guarantee.

DAZN throwing this insane money has changed the market dramatically and it's not that fighters were getting sold short a year ago it's simply that they weren't an option then and they are very ambitious and trying to dominate the market now.

DAZN is a drastic happening.

I disagree. GGG took home something close to $40M against Canelo a year ago without DAZN. Mayweather took home almost $300M to fight a guy who had never been in a boxing ring without DAZN. The huge money has been there all along. That "people" said GGG should take $5M flat shows that those same people (and I'm not including you on this) don't have a clue what fights or fighters are worth.

Then you have to throw in the HW factor. HWs have always commanded the biggest stage and the biggest dollars. It's been that way forever. So if a match between Canelo / GGG can generate those kinds of dollars, there's no reason that a matchup of undefeated HW champs can't generate a better draw if promoted well. My own guess is that AJ / Wilder - if both guys perform well in their upcoming bouts - pulls in at least about $140M with $80M to AJ and $60M to Wilder. People love a major heavyweight clash.

The market was there with or without DAZN. What DAZN has contributed is they've cut through the BS and started throwing around reasonable numbers. They'd know they would have no shot of drawing Wilder if they're using Eddie Hearn-type logic (80% or more to his fighter). But those fair market dollars were there before DAZN once promoters stopped screwing around and started putting real deals on the table.

[Granath]

That's a lie.

You're right. We know some terms were disclosed.

Like Wilder not even getting an even split in the mandatory rematch even if he won and getting a paltry 20% if he lost. Yeah, that's a good deal.

Just admit that the prior deals were a big pile of feces, that the "Wilder ducking" narrative was entirely BS all along and that we're now seeing numbers far closer to reality. It's really that simple.

Then we both can hope for a deal to get signed soon (if each wins their upcoming fights) and enjoy a HW clash we've not seen for quite some time. Has there been a clash between two undefeated HW champions with current titles since Tyson/Spinks? I may be having a senior moment but I can't think of one.

[icha]

Wilder just did over 325k in his PPV debut, at $75, against an opponent that was barely known in the US before the fight was signed. Wilder is clearly a PPV attraction now.

Everyone involved, on both sides, believes the fight would do over 1 million US PPV buys. The problem is that Hearn is trying to please DAZN by blocking the fight from being on PPV, where clearly the most money would be made.

joshoua isnt much bigger than futy in the us, dont expect a big increase in sales... the fury fight was already big and only did 325 vs the guy that schooled klitschko ... you put wilder vs brezeale on ppv and good luck breaking even...

[Granath]

joshoua isnt much bigger than futy in the us, dont expect a big increase in sales... the fury fight was already big and only did 325 vs the guy that schooled klitschko ... you put wilder vs brezeale on ppv and good luck breaking even...

I disagree.

Fury's fights are generally dull affairs and many in the US believe that his victory against Wlad was a fluke. Then he went crazy and was out of the fight game for 2 1/2 years. So whatever little name recognition he had in the US was gone. Then he fought a couple of club fighters in the UK before drawing with Wilder. He also looks like the homeless guy begging for change down the street in a torn Santa Clause costume.

AJ has been fighting all along, is a gold medalist, looks like an Adonis, holds belts and is now fighting in Madison Square Garden to build his profile in the US. He's a helluva lot easier to sell on a ticket than Fury.

[Mirror Universe]

That's a lie.

What key term are you claiming was missing from the term sheet?

[Holler]

The market was there with or without DAZN. What DAZN has contributed is they've cut through the BS and started throwing around reasonable numbers. They'd know they would have no shot of drawing Wilder if they're using Eddie Hearn-type logic (80% or more to his fighter). But those fair market dollars were there before DAZN once promoters stopped screwing around and started putting real deals on the table.

Markets aren't static. They're constantly responding to changes in supply or demand. To state that the entrance of DAZN, the threat that their model poses to established players and the money they've already spent in acquisition costs alone hasn't impacted on this process is to fundamentally misunderstand the current boxing landscape.