Are there any posters on here willing to admit they had Wilder wrong?

[Jsmooth9876]

They aren't the side saying you can only get the fight if you jump ship and sign with our platform for 4 fights.

Whichever side is putting up road blocks is the side stalling things.

So to you, a "roadblock" is offering a guy career high paydays to fight the same bum he's gonna fight next anyway and then the fight he claims he wants to unify the titles in his division?

[Fabes88]

Doesn't matter what I think. Showtime is willing to guarantee purses based on 1.5 million buys.

Lol are they now. I think I know who you are. Why not just use the same account?

[that g]

Doesn't matter what I think. Showtime is willing to guarantee purses based on 1.5 million buys.

Two scenarios here. 1. This is true. If so, then you are basically saying they expect Joshua’s name to bring in at least 1m buys to wilders 500k, because wilder did 325k with fury.
If this is true, fine. Wilder doesn’t deserve anywhere close to 40m based on these numbers.

If this is not true, then again, there’s no way they would be able to pay anywhere close to 40m for either fighter. Keep in mind that only a fraction of the revenue from 1.5million buys will go to the fighters.

So this is a con by Shelley, Harmon, and Espinoza on wilder to try to make the fight as big as possible for a showtime ppv profit, while slowing down dazn, NOT for the benefit of wilder, and definitely not for the benefit of the fan. You pay $75-100 on showtime vs $10 on dazn.

Think about that.

[uppercut510]

I don't think we know enough to make that judgement. What I do know is this:

The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $5m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $15m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans now say Wilder is ducking at $40m and that it was a good deal.

The first two statements weren't true at the time yet the AJ fans were all up in arms about how Wilder was a chump who was ducking AJ. Now it shows that all the AJ fans were wrong - those deals ****** as some of us said they did. So the first people to admit they were wrong are those AJ fans.

Now I'm inclined to believe that the current offers are good. I think we're finally into the ballpark of what is the reasonable market rate (which makes the $15M offer CHUMP CHANGE, which is what I've said consistently). But I'm not privy to all the offers Wilder has received and I doubt anyone else here is either. It may be that by waiting another 3 months and KOing Breazeale - if he does it - could up that offer to $200M over 3-4 fights. We simply don't know what the maximum upside is. If Wilder thinks (or more likely if it's already down on paper) that he could make more by winning his next one and then signing then he's just betting on himself. It could be a smart move.

Or this deal could be reasonably as good as it gets, he knows it and he's ducking AJ. Both are equally plausible and we probably won't know which it is until we see what happens after the next fight.

good post here

[CharlieStewart]

i use to blame wilders team not wilder but after the recent debacle and especially the interviews hes done recently it's obvious wilder either has a slave deal with haymon or he's been manipulated to take less money, either way he's a typical dumb boxer who's not in charge of his career so I have to blame him now more than any one.

[CharlieStewart]

They could even blame Wilders advisers and that would be somewhat acceptable but they're still trying to deflect it onto Hearn via some nonesensical complex multiverse theory.

exactly, look at this thread. they want to credit wilder for turning down fights because its the right business decision but still blame hearn/aj for the fight not happening yet. totally illogical.

[Mirror Universe]

Two scenarios here. 1. This is true. If so, then you are basically saying they expect Joshua’s name to bring in at least 1m buys to wilders 500k, because wilder did 325k with fury.
If this is true, fine. Wilder doesn’t deserve anywhere close to 40m based on these numbers.

That's not how it works. Spence and Garcia were previously worth zero PPVs, yet together they did 400k. Joshua currently does zero PPVs, yet with Wilder he'd do over a million. Other than the rare cash cows that can fight anybody on PPV (Tyson, De La Hoya, Mayweather), PPV is about having a must see fight with two guys risking everything. Joshua vs. Wilder is so valuable for reasons that go beyond what either of them individually bring to the table.

There hasn't been an undisputed champion of the sport of boxing in two decades. Lennox Lewis wasn't a PPV fighter and Holyfield only did 500k in the Moorer rematch, yet together they did 1.2 million. Does that mean Lewis brought 700k to the table? NO! He wasn't even a PPV fighter heading into that fight. It was the significance of the occasion created by the both of them that did the 1.2 million. The crowning of an undisputed heavyweight champion of the world is why the fight did so well.

[Mirror Universe]

So to you, a "roadblock" is offering a guy career high paydays to fight the same bum he's gonna fight next anyway and then the fight he claims he wants to unify the titles in his division?

"Career high payday" is a phrase fans obsess over, but is ultimately meaningless. SHO has offered Joshua career high paydays, yet he turns them down.

Wilder and Joshua were both fighting on the same platform. Making a fight between the two of them had zero road blocks. Then Joshua leaves for another platform, creating a road block. That is the side you blame when a fight stalls.

[nubianpiye]

The fact is this ameribum doesn’t want the fight most Americans are cowards and soft guys who can’t fight nowadays. ‘Someone wants to fight let me go get my gun cause I’m a *****’ **** wilder the ducking dosser bum. He’s not a real fighting man.

[eco1]

I would assume most posters know they are wrong and don't want the fight, some even admit it like that bigjav mod poster. These guys are petrified the thought of Joshua fight getting made and will continue to make excuses why the fight shouldn't happen now..

Even if you become my enemy I think you are all wrong.

You know very well Wilder was pregnant for the Fury fight, for the AJ fight I am sure he will be pregnant with twins!