Are there any posters on here willing to admit they had Wilder wrong?

[Holler]

I don't think we know enough to make that judgement. What I do know is this:

The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $5m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $15m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans now say Wilder is ducking at $40m and that it was a good deal.

The first two statements weren't true at the time yet the AJ fans were all up in arms about how Wilder was a chump who was ducking AJ. Now it shows that all the AJ fans were wrong - those deals ****** as some of us said they did. So the first people to admit they were wrong are those AJ fans.

Depends if you think Wilder beats AJ or not. If you really believe he beats him then Wilder should've taken the first offer, which I think would've yielded about 35m over two fights and which left him an American undisputed HW champion of the world and the first man to hold all 4 belts at that weight.

He would've become a global sensation overnight and countless endorsements would've followed. By now he would be well on the way to a billion dollar fortune because he'd still have a couple of years left at prime.

If you don't believe he can beat AJ then he was right to hold on and maximise his returns from this fight. Only however if he does eventually manage to put pen to paper. Until that happens he could be one unlucky punch or even training camp accident away from blowing a massive opportunity.

[Curt Henning]

You’re loyal I’ll give you that. In general I see a lot of Wilder huggers have seen it for what it is and the polls are ridiculously lopsided now.

So you are happy it’s not happening and looks unlikely for at least another 12-18 months? Let’s say he gets offered a 50/50 split but that 50/50 is only for one fight and/or only $60m and he turns it down. What then? That will have been poor business because he’ll make $5m at a push for Breazeale. Good money but not the $20m with additional $80m guaranteed (1st fight in the US too).

Do you think an argument could be made you are biased? You love Wilder and hate Joshua and his fans. It just seems you like at a scenario and work out a while to deflect the blame, defend Wilder and make it about the other side and their fans. You, as do most let’s be fair always do this regarding every fighter. It’s always your favorite being ducked and avoided, trying their best and being pure and the hated guy is the evil one stopping it and ducking it. It can’t always be that way, surely?

I always felt BOTH sides were playing the game and now I’m 100% certain it was a publicity stunt at worst and at best that they’ve just had a change of heart and are avoiding the fight. Maybe trying to go the “unbeaten” route to 50 fights like it would mean something fighting 10 Brezeales after a loss to Fury. Or if they intending to fight Joshua then they are trying to see what they can squeeze out before him getting KO’d there. Time isn’t on Wilders side. He has two assets only: a right hand power and athleticism and the athleticism will be worse and worse over time. He’s never going to gain boxing skill.

$100m was an incredible offer for two fights plus Brezeale. If he won he’d automatically be a $20-30m per fight guy vs. anyone IMO they aren’t that confident of those wins.

i dont have to be "loyal"...AJ ducked the fight for over a year....and everyone knew and saw it except online forum fanbois of AJ

wilder hasnt ducked anything....the fight wasnt next.....and there are reports there was no guarantee AJ was next after brezeale too.....lol

we get it...hes not crawford, usyk and loma...youve made up your mind youll never like him.....but the fight wasnt next.....he hasnt ducked anything yet.....we know AJ confirmed ducked for a year....there was no "publicity stunt"...only hearn never agreeing to the term sheet before a contract could be drawn.....there was hearn sending no date on his end when wilder had one demand of 2018

and explain to me how u milk a 2 mil a fight figther again please?

[deathofaclown]

I think a year ago, both sides were probably to blame. Even Hearn has said that much.

Right now, i think it's evident that Wilder and/or his team don't want the fight. I think his team are taking him for a ride, simply because they don't want the likes of DAZN and Hearn to keep building momentum in the game. It makes PBC look weak if their only big heavyweight jumped over there to fight.

I think his team are selling him a lie and stringing him along for the benefit of themselves, rather than doing the best for their fighter.

Wilder will look back on it and regret it one day. When they are giving him $3m a fight for the foreseeable future and then he eventually retires or loses and he realises he is of no importance to them anymore, he will realise that they never acted his best interests.

[chrisJS]

i dont have to be "loyal"...AJ ducked the fight for over a year....and everyone knew and saw it except online forum fanbois of AJ

wilder hasnt ducked anything....the fight wasnt next.....and there are reports there was no guarantee AJ was next after brezeale too.....lol

we get it...hes not crawford, usyk and loma...youve made up your mind youll never like him.....but the fight wasnt next.....he hasnt ducked anything yet.....we know AJ confirmed ducked for a year....there was no "publicity stunt"...only hearn never agreeing to the term sheet before a contract could be drawn.....there was hearn sending no date on his end when wilder had one demand of 2018

and explain to me how u milk a 2 mil a fight figther again please?

That's your interpretation. I remember Wilder refusing $15m which would have been a far higher payday than what he got combined in the time since. Wilder is the reason the fight isn't agree now because he could have said yes to the $100m deal which was obviously legit enough for them to look at details, show to the meetings and not hide behind e-mail games. What's a better scenario; decline the offer, accept (max) $5m (but probably $2-3m) and still be in a position the fight is unlikely or accept the deal, get $20m for a fight you were always going to do and then get $80m for two fights with a guy you've previously said you'll fight for free and the first is in America. I think he went from not wanting it enough (certainly as much as he portrayed) to not wanting it at all.

Wilder himself has confirmed "They are begging to fight me" and now "I won't be rushed into fighting Joshua" and him saying no to a guaranteed deal is him ducking the fight as clear as night and day.

I think you're just spinning it in a way to save face because you've talked a lot of crap about how brave and smart Wilder is and how dumb and cowardly Joshua, Hearn and his fans are and are now trying to save face.

I think they are trying to make him a $10m a fight fighter but like most of us they know he can't beat Joshua so he'd lose basically all of the gullible fans he's gained officially losing his "0" and his title. This isn't new for him. Remember Finkel openly admitted he won't be rushed and wasn't ready to fight Wlad despite being a 30-year old "champion" with about 35 fights?

[deathofaclown]

Wilder agreed to a $15M flat fee, they rejected him.

Didn't Hearn send a signed contract with that offer?

Even Wilder's team have said they did receive a signed contract for that $15m. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't have signed it, but he agreed and they sent a contract.

[that g]

That's not how it works. Spence and Garcia were previously worth zero PPVs, yet together they did 400k. Joshua currently does zero PPVs, yet with Wilder he'd do over a million. Other than the rare cash cows that can fight anybody on PPV (Tyson, De La Hoya, Mayweather), PPV is about having a must see fight with two guys risking everything. Joshua vs. Wilder is so valuable for reasons that go beyond what either of them individually bring to the table.

There hasn't been an undisputed champion of the sport of boxing in two decades. Lennox Lewis wasn't a PPV fighter and Holyfield only did 500k in the Moorer rematch, yet together they did 1.2 million. Does that mean Lewis brought 700k to the table? NO! He wasn't even a PPV fighter heading into that fight. It was the significance of the occasion created by the both of them that did the 1.2 million. The crowning of an undisputed heavyweight champion of the world is why the fight did so well.

err... try again. Joshua currently has some of the highest PPV numbers of the last decade.

[Mirror Universe]

err... try again. Joshua currently has some of the highest PPV numbers of the last decade.

Joshua sells zero PPVs in the US.

Joshua selling a million PPVs in the UK for $25 is equivalent to Wilder selling 330,000 PPVs in the US for $75.

[that g]

Joshua sells zero PPVs in the US.

Joshua selling a million PPVs in the UK for $25 is equivalent to Wilder selling 330,000 PPVs in the US for $75.

except he has done 1.5 million in the uk, "equivalent to" 500,000 buys in the US.

no matter how you slice it, AJ brings way more to the table than wilder does.

[BM dnobagaV]

I don't know why Wilder is scared though. Just land one punch and that's it.

[Mirror Universe]

except he has done 1.5 million in the uk, "equivalent to" 500,000 buys in the US.

His most recent fight did much less. And he's sold no PPVs in the US. While Wilder's US PPV generated as much as Joshua's last UK PPV, but Wilder's fight was also on UK PPV. Meaning more PPV revenue overall for Wilder's last fight compared to Joshua.

I don't think Wilder deserves 50/50 yet, but he's getting closer and seems hell bent on building himself to the point where he can get parity. If the rumors are true that he's fighting Klitschko after Breazeale, knocking out Klitschko in New York will continue to raise Wilder's profile.