EFE AJAGBA -Joe Joyce who wins if they fought now

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Joyce isn't explosive like Wilder. He's patient and methodical, coming foreward constantly, throwing tons of punches which may not be particularly hard individually, but are heavy enough to gradually break his opponents down.

I would think Joyce hits very hard. Stiverne was lucky to get out of round 3. And his head was all swollen by round 5. I don't see how Efe sustains prolonged punishment of it does go late ? I think he will slow and he is a low volume puncher to, it plays right into the hands of Joyce.

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Was Wilder not in the ring after AJ vs Wlad? I would have sworn he was, but I was very drunk when I watched that fight. I know he never called AJ out though.

I don't believe so, he was standing next to Bellew saying he doesn't want to impose on the champions moment, let it be about AJ or something to that extent way out of reach of the general ring area up in the broadcaster booth.He knew he was there to call him out , this is when Hearn stopped playing games with this character and the U.S smear campaign didn't help Wilder either.

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I don't believe so, he was standing next to Bellew saying he doesn't want to impose on the champions moment, let it be about AJ or something to that extent way out of reach of the general ring area up in the broadcaster booth.He knew he was there to call him out , this is when Hearn stopped playing games with this character and the U.S smear campaign didn't help Wilder either.

I think Wilder is scared of AJ. He could live with losing, but the thought of being left out cold, twitching on the canvas, they way he likes to brag about leaving other guys, is too much for his ego to bear.

[Citizen Koba]

This seems like a logical fight to set up

Ha well - yeah, perfect in many respects given where they're both at with their careers and the hype behind 'em and heavyweights in general...

Course what we can probably expect is the management of either or both to hedge their investment a bit longer because... well. Y'know. It's boxing.

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Ha well - yeah, perfect in many respects given where they're both at with their careers and the hype behind 'em and heavyweights in general...

Course what we can probably expect is the management of either or both to hedge their investment a bit longer because... well. Y'know. It's boxing.

Joyce is a WBA champion next to being Joshuas mandatory. There perspective careers isn't in line to where they are now. The fight would be improbable and not warranted because Joyce is looking for title shots . Ajagba won't see any title fight until he has dozen fights.

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Joyce is a WBA champion next to being Joshuas mandatory. There perspective careers isn't in line to where they are now. The fight would be improbable and not warranted because Joyce is looking for title shots . Ajagba won't see any title fight until he has dozen fights.

The WBA 'Gold'? Mmmm.

To be fair though it does in theory line him up for Diamond Boy which is a fight he'd understandably take over Ajagba, so I guess you got a point.

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Ajagba going to be a range fighter. The problem isn't offensively its defense. He doesn't strike me as a fast combo puncher either , when he misses power shots he pauses with hands lowered ,which may not look like much but a good counter puncher will hit him more. ( this ALWAYS improves by fight at this stage ,im assuming hes a good listener and will improve on it. )

Joyce is critized on his speed ( people ignore his timing ) but he's much more defensive minded then Efe but also susceptiple to counter hands but he throws in volume so he's actually not hit that much at all and catches a lot of impact on his gloves , its an exaggeration. Ive seen Ajagba getting hit more cleanly ,but no one says nothing about that ,its Joyce is slow and hes fighting overall better guys and is in line to collide with AJ soon in boxing terms .

Ajagba isn't a speed demon either at his current weight , if ppl were paying attention they would notice the weight gain as he's in 240's now. This is good and bad ,bad if it gets him hit more ,good if it helps him keep center of ring control more.

Joyce is 260/270 pounds and not an easy fight for anyone. He will improve a bit more, maybe not much but he doesn't really have to he's a top guy as is win or lose. I really only see AJ controlling him and not getting pushed back. Fury and Wilder would struggle win or lose, Usyk may be the only light guy to out point him?

Hrgovic is an great talent to very Vitali klitschko like and he really wouldn't be favored over Joyce ,who has a win over him in 2013 before he even was a polished fighter.

I don't get how Joyce became an easy bum ( should have won gold as well ) and Ajagaba is the new boogeyman ,when the boogeyman is a hulking 6'6 265 pounder who doesn't stop throwing at you....? lol


I like Ajagba but I have to look for holes as much as strengths, the guy I mentioned Sirenko is no doubt my top prospect then Sonny Conto .

Im not sure where I would place Ajagba ,hes got tough competition ? Mentally? He's definatley mentally there, a good tunnel vision fighter you can see it. I think Joyce would be a great fight but if someones asking me who wins its going to be Joyce the much better accurate puncher/proven chin/experience/size .

Power isn't really that much different either ,I don't think ppl realize how hard Joyce hits ,they're to concentrated on speed ?????? He's very much Foreman like ,not just style but walking guys into shots. EVERY trainer that's had him cant be wrong either.

This is my top 5 prospect list for what I see in 3/5 years on most threat to Joshua who until proven is going to be that guy.

In no time frame ( guys like Conto are just starting out ).

1. Sirenko
2. Conto
3. Hrgovic
4. Gorman
5. DDD/ Ajagba ( VERY even these two actually have a better shot at AJ then Gorman due to power and presence able to match Joshua physically )

Some of these guys easily beat guys in the official top 10...EASILY.

Im sure theres many eastern Europeans could ruin this list but I haven't seen any that make a top 5,shows you how stacked it is, there's A LOT of talent coming soon.


This could all change by fight of course.

Hrgovic really isn't a prospect either by abilities but ???? Hes like a Usyk been there done that guy. you know he's operating at top level. Its just how he fights ,he punishes guys, grinds them out in deep waters.

Im reading your post and realizing that we have quite a few guys coming up! I have to look at Joyce more, I happened to catch ajagba sort of looked once...then was like Hey! this guy is looking good! lol.

Then I watched all his fights. I noticed the defensive liabilities...

I think the next thing is how they look under pressure... thats what I want to see.

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I think Ajagba wins. Joyce is too slow and predictable in my opinion. I would watch Joyce vs. Klitschko right now!

[Szef]

Pretty sure the KO that brought Wilder all the hype was when he had Liakhovich doing his best Lou Gherig impression.

You are wrong. It wasn't until Wilder koed Stiverne in the rematch, and started calling Joshua out when all this hype began.

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Never gonna happen anytime soon since both are with Richard Schaefer but one day we may find out.

probably lean towards Efe right now BUT I do think people are underestimating Joe Joyce like they did in the Amateurs. He is one of those guys who gets strong and strong the longer the fight goes. Both need a lot of work Defensively especially with Head Movement!

Excited about the Future of the Heavyweight Division though with guys like Efe, Daniel Dubois, Hrgrovic, Dychko, Tony Yoka, Darmani Rock, Frank Sanchez, Bakhodir Jalolov, Oleksandr Teslenko, Stephen Shaw, Junior Fa I can keep going it is a TON of Talent on the Rise at Heavyweight from all over the world which is GREAT

The Division is THIN now but if all live up to their potential it is going to be a LOADED Division in about 2-3 more years.