Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: If No Joshua or Wilder - Bring Me Tyson Fury!

[champion4ever]

this is boxing business not charity venture. you already know why he's not getting big fights except he is willing to take a lower pay to make up for his inability to bring nothing to the table.

It's nobody's fault that his team is unable to market him well, after all canelo doesn't speak English and is based in US and he's still getting the fights and the cash.

The nobody wants to fight Ortiz is a BS that nobody is buying into anymore. Wilder boys can look for another excuse, this one is outdated.

He could use a good promotional push right about now. Moreover, don't compare him to Canelo Alvarez because he has a promoter who is marketing selling him well and giving him the push he needs.

Al Haymon is not going to cut it for Luis Ortiz. It's because first he doesn't have a promoter's license and he hides himself from public view on the camera. In addition he is being poorly managed. I believe they may have taken Ortiz as far as he could carry him because now he is old.

I believe Ortiz should have remained a Matchroom Sport where he would have been more active and earned a lot more money. Look at baby Miller? His persistence, patience and perseverance has now finally paid off for him.

[Laligalaliga]

Dude, you just said that it would take between $15/20mil in order to get a top contender or titleholder in the ring with Luis Ortiz but it only took Deontay Wilder just $2mil to get in the ring with him. So you do the math? If that's not taking shorts tennI don't what taking shorts are. Besides why didn't Deontay Wilder hold out for $15/20mil to fight King Kong then? It wasn't a voluntary defense. He was not under legal obligation to challenge him.

prior to Ortiz fight, wilder was fighting for 1mil/1.5mil. He requested more money which happens to be his career paY high to fight ortiz. That's not shot money to wilder, that's massive pay day based on his level as at then.

AJ exposed wilder to double digits pay day fights prior to his debut ppv.
2.1mil was a huge pay for wilder to take a decent fight.

Hez not in AJ's level..... Don't get it twisted.

[champion4ever]

prior to Ortiz fight, wilder was fighting for 1mil/1.5mil. He requested more money which happens to be his career paY high to fight ortiz. That's not shot money to wilder, that's massive pay day based on his level as at then.

AJ exposed wilder to double digits pay day fights prior to his debut ppv.
2.1mil was a huge pay for wilder to take a decent fight.

Hez not in AJ's level..... Don't get it twisted.

What about all the fighters who earn less than Deontay Wilder; Who are top five ranked contenders? Should they wait to earn $15/20mil against Luis Ortiz too?

[Laligalaliga]

I don’t know why you keep bringing up that Wikder hasn’t unified. I don’t know how many times I need to say it. AJ got to unify because he brings in the $ so anyone with a strap would fight AJ over Wilder because they’d be making much more

You think Charles Martins a risk ? You think Wikder wouldnt have smashed him . Parker hasn’t had a decent performance since before he won his strap.
Klit was coming off a L and a year and half out yet it was for a strap.

If the roles were reveresed and Wikder was from the Uk it be Him with 3 straps

The fact you can’t acknowledge why AJ has his straps means you either don’t know how the sport works, pretending to be ignorant or just plain dumb

Take your pick

Why didn't wilder take out of his 50mil to make any of those fights?
There is no excuses to justify his inability to unify.
He has always been afraid to risk his green belt, hence fighting club bouncers.
Once he step up to fight a decent guy, hez suddenly become the chief risk taker.

[Laligalaliga]

He could use a good promotional push right about now. Moreover, don't compare him to Canelo Alvarez because he has a promoter who is marketing selling him well and giving him the push he needs.

Al Haymon is not going to cut it for Luis Ortiz. It's because first he doesn't have a promoter's license and he hides himself from public view on the camera. In addition he is being poorly managed. I believe they may have taken Ortiz as far as he could carry him because now he is old.

I believe Ortiz should have remained a Matchroom Sport where he would have been more active and earned a lot more money. Look at baby Miller? His persistence, patience and perseverance has now finally paid off for him.

So arguably it's still his fault hez not getting big fights.
Like I usually say, no body owe him anything and hez not in a position to make demands.
He should be begging for fights, it's not his right.

[champion4ever]

So arguably it's still his fault hez not getting big fights.
Like I usually say, no body owe him anything and hez not in a position to make demands.
He should be begging for fights, it's not his right.

I never once said that it was anybody's fault but his own that he's not getting big fights nor have I said that anybody owed him something. I never said anybody did.

What is your proposition then? What do you propose that Ortiz do to get big money fights. I've already told you that he is poorly managed and doesn't have a promoter to give him that push or fanbase, a title or make him a box office draw with casual fans or a Pay per view star.

So what do you suggest that he does then? Mr. English fanboy. I am very curious to know.

[Jax teller]

That's why in business you should mean what you say and say what you mean. Joshua and Hearn knew fully well that they had no intentions of ever fighting Wilder back in September of 2018 as promised.

Well now they have to pay for their lies and deception. They did a bait and switch on Wilder which he has neither forgotten or forgiven.

My advice to Hearn and Joshua is get down on their hands and knees, beg for forgiveness and give Wilder everything he wants by kissing his ass real good or there very well may not be a fight after all.

You give in fantasy land mate, Wilder/Finkel have been the least consistent, acting the most secretive and shady and somehow you try and blame Hearn for it. It's clear you have been brainwashed so I will leave it at that.

[LoadedWraps]

However, Ortiz has great spacing, distance and range where he can close the gap on Fury very quickly.

Tyson may very well be able to run but he won't be able to hide. Ortiz cuts the ring off well and forces Tyson into some very uncomfortable exchanges and all Fury is going to do is hold.

Moreover, if he hits Fury as hard as he hit Christian hammer he drops him to the canvas at least six times. Also, keep in mind that Ortiz is a vicious body puncher too.

There is nothing Ortiz does better than Fury. He won't be closing the gap that fast because Fury is faster, Fury doesn't let himself get trapped, he controls the ring and only goes to the ropes or corner intentionally.

Fury doesn't run, he boxes. Uncomfortable exchanges? Fury is a master at fighting inside, he would maul Ortiz in any war.

Dropped six times? Pure delusion. Fury is impeccable defensively has tremendous ring IQ and a granite chin, he gets a flask knockdown at best and gets up to stop Ortiz stepping on the gas if it even happens.

Sleepless haters like yourself are in for YEARS of anguish if you think Fury will ever lose. This is Floyd all over again, the haters will come out before every fight talking about how he will lose and we will watch and laugh at the desperation and hatred as he just keeps dominating.

[Removed Now]

He'll have to fight somebody. I think they'll give him 1 showcase level gimme, but they probably aren't gonna let him coast on that deal fighting all bums. His style doesn't mesh with most American boxing fans. The fans or the network won't let him coast fighting bums the whole time.

The top two heavy weights he's not going to fight within a year. Besides Ortiz i consider the rest to be bums( minus Putiv ) So i still stand by my quote.

[Laligalaliga]

What about all the fighters who earn less than Deontay Wilder; Who are top five ranked contenders? Should they wait to earn $15/20mil against Luis Ortiz too?

Every fighter earns according to their drawing power, sponsorships and promoters effects.

There is no need going round the circle. If Ortiz desperately wants the fight, let him send a contract. If he can't, let him stop crying like a little girl and fvvk off. Nobody owe him anything.