Should boxing fans let Top Rank shows "marinate?"

[4truth]

If we're planning to storm the castle, sign me up. I'm sick of marinade!

[New England]

I disagree. I think fights do need to be marinated. With the new Fox deal there will be a lot of casual viewers who don't know most of the fighters. So flights will need to be marinated so these casuals/new fans can learn more about the sport and the best fights.

the first fights a lot of epople will watch will be no hopers in fights that build stars. some of those people will never watch boxing again.


tyson - holyfield 2 was bigger than the first fight even after tyson got knocked out. you can fight again. you can catch lightning in a bottle. you can't get back TV time when your spots suck and nobody watches your fights so you get canned. nobody is goign to give a **** about wilder - joshua in 3-4 years, people are already starting to go stale on it. this isn't mayweather - pacquiao, nobody had the benefit of oscar de la hoya retiring and losing to make them stars.

[Lonelystoner]

Fans are too busy d**kriding to actually make something like this happen

[SplitSecond]

Casuals don't know who these guys are. Which is why certain fights are going to be marinated so casuals can get interested in them.

Jesus christ. You make stars by putting them in with names. That's the tried and true method. The only reason we get this marinating is to skim a little more money off the public. And no one knows this new breed of boxers, because they dont ***ing fight anyone.

All the top guys right now have more than enough recognition where people know they are a name, unless what, we're waiting for them to be legends of their country before they ever step up? After each great victory, their stock will rise. The money is in fighting the top guys. The issue is the gayweather mentality that not onlt has mayweather instilled onto some boxers, but apparently also some boxing fans. Yes, fighting bum fights is great for accumulating some riches while staying safe. But it kills the sport in case you hadnt realized.

[New England]

Could not agree more(except Fury v Wilder prediction)Let the promoters spout that marinate ****e anybody else is a fanboy who does not want his fighter to lose.REAL FANS although they have their favs too but MOST IMPORTENT is the heath of sport and the best thing for the sport is for the best to fight the best period!!Unless like you said they are prospects its time to put the big boy pants on.Cant stand mini promoting fanboys who are worse for the sport then the alpha bit boys and the real promoters because they help them get away with it.Fury is almost impossible to get ready for due to his skills and size but even more so his unorthodox style.Alot of times those fighters don't do as well in rematches(same with really athletic guys)Wilder has now seen him for 12rds(which he dropped him in 2 of last 4 rounds)and I think(and it seems Fury might think)that Wilder will be the one that improves on his performance.And even if he don't Fury still could end up staring at lights.People forget that Fury really was the more active fighter in 1st fight.He had 3 fights in a 3-4 month span and more important NONE were FAT CAMPS.He was about 10pds off in 1st fight back vs the cruiser and got to work on skills the whole time.Wilder was off for 9 months(about the longest of career)and also when Fury "retired"he was in his prime people forget SSL was off even LONGER and came right back in 1st fight to fight Hagler(and he was doing coke too).Also Foreman retired in his prime and also got VERY fat now he took about 23-4 fights before Holyfield but he was off TEN years and was 37-8 when he came back.

fury's fight with seferi was basically not a fight. pianeta is ranked 150th in the world right now. prior to that he was 350 lbs and hadn't fought since 2015. alcoholic and popped for coke. please don't try and tell me he was a more active or more "in fighting shape" fighter than wilder, because he was not! we should expect him to be a good deal sharper in the second fight, you should expect the style matchup, where a boxer has had 12 rounds to study a crude puncher, to favor the boxer. you should expect fury to bring more to be more improved than wilder physically.

wilder has had a long time to make adjustments in his career. we all recognized that he was an unfinished product when he made his way to TV in 2012 and '13. that was a very long time ago! he's adjusted very little to the ability of top 10 opponents to make him miss when he throws his wide shots. the guys with decent power have made him pay for it, too!

so if wilder's power wasn't enough before, he doesn't make adjustments and fury does, and he's facing a better fury, why are you picking him to win? wilder isn't going to put a glove on fury in the rematch. he'll have a better shot of getting lucky and knocking joshua out. go make that money while you can, he just isn't as good as joshua or fury. they've got wins over a better fighter to boot.

[john l]

fury's fight with seferi was basically not a fight. pianeta is ranked 150th in the world right now. prior to that he was 350 lbs and hadn't fought since 2015. alcoholic and popped for coke. please don't try and tell me he was a more active or more "in fighting shape" fighter than wilder, because he was not! we should expect him to be a good deal sharper in the second fight, you should expect the style matchup, where a boxer has had 12 rounds to study a crude puncher, to favor the boxer. you should expect fury to bring more to be more improved than wilder physically.

wilder has had a long time to make adjustments in his career. we all recognized that he was an unfinished product when he made his way to TV in 2012 and '13. that was a very long time ago! he's adjusted very little to the ability of top 10 opponents to make him miss when he throws his wide shots. the guys with decent power have made him pay for it, too!

so if wilder's power wasn't enough before, he doesn't make adjustments and fury does, and he's facing a better fury, why are you picking him to win? wilder isn't going to put a glove on fury in the rematch. he'll have a better shot of getting lucky and knocking joshua out. go make that money while you can, he just isn't as good as joshua or fury. they've got wins over a better fighter to boot.

Well no bother to go any futher because I disagree with most of what you just said.And as far as Wilders's power not being enough you know Fury himself says he was out cold for 5 sec.But i already said why he could do better and not gonna waste time saying it again.Ill just agree to disagree

[Richard G]

Marinate = stagnate.

[_Rexy_]

If it’s a good match/card then I’m watching it. I don’t care who the promoter is.

[ShoulderRoll]

lol this conspiracy whacko with more bs. he hates arum because he's ***ish not because of boxing.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Arum. ******* is not one of them.

My belief in conspiracy fact (not theory) has nothing do with this. I have nothing against ***ish people.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Jesus christ. You make stars by putting them in with names. That's the tried and true method. The only reason we get this marinating is to skim a little more money off the public. And no one knows this new breed of boxers, because they dont ***ing fight anyone.

All the top guys right now have more than enough recognition where people know they are a name, unless what, we're waiting for them to be legends of their country before they ever step up? After each great victory, their stock will rise. The money is in fighting the top guys. The issue is the gayweather mentality that not onlt has mayweather instilled onto some boxers, but apparently also some boxing fans. Yes, fighting bum fights is great for accumulating some riches while staying safe. But it kills the sport in case you hadnt realized.

You build stars by having fighter A destroying/beating all of the B/C/D level fighters and fighter B also destroying/beating all of the B/C/D level fighters. Then people want to see fighter A and B fight.

See Mayweather vs Pacquiao the BIGGEST GROSSING fight of all time and fights that proceeded it like Leonard-Hearns, Ali-Frazier. Beating the lesser fighters made people want to see them fight another fighter fighter who is doing the same thing.

For example at the moment casuals don't know who Spence, Danny and Mikey Garcia, Porter, Thurman and Santa Cruz. They need to be built up as people haven't been watching them fight so have no interest in seeing them fight each other. Of course we know who all of these fighters and we want Thurman to fight Spence. For example but the average person you see at Walmart wouldn't know who the phuck they are.