Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce Drops, Breaks Down, Stops Bermane Stiverne

[Sweet Scions]

You can’t cure man’s man love blindness more like. Anything that remotely challenges Wilders paper thin credentials with facts just doesn’t compute.

Here’s the facts, Stiverne was Wilders second best opponent (after Fury who had spent a year on the sofa until 6months before and came in after a crash diet looking a shadow of his former self).

Stiverne took him 12 rounds just four years ago, this was the ‘hay day’ of Stiverne in his mid 30s coming off wins against the great (not) Arreola. Basically we’re talking about perhaps the most average world champion of a generation. This guy, was the best person on Wilders resume until very recently.

He had another go with Wilder two years later and turned up for a pay day and got KO’d in one. Wilder fans whooped and hola’d like he had just conquered a dragon and built up Stiverne like he was some kind of credible opponent.

Joyce who is utterly limited and slow and has almost a quarter of fights as Wilder also managed a KO, proving that Stiverne is absolutely shot to pieces and considering he was pretty darn crudy in the first place, says a lot.

Therefore, Wilders one round blow out was hardly impressive in retrospect and you start to wonder, was he all that good against old fatty coke face after all? Actually no he wasn’t, and needed local scoring to keep a belt around his waist.

All in all what’s this about...Wilders a hyped up one trick pony and as records start to stack up against his own, it’s becoming clear his days are numbered. Fury is gonna box his head off and AJ is gonna take his head off.

Church! Damn, I...can't disagree with a single word of this.

[Cutthroat]

No, its wrong...

Wilder used his right hand in the 7-8-9 rounds too..
Check the fight again, please!

Doesnt matter what Wilder say..

Stiverne wasnt knocked out, he was down after the bell clearly...

Just because you break your hand doesn't mean you can't throw it, you just can't throw it with as much conviction as before. I've hard other pro boxers talk about it, they say it's painful as **** at first but eventually it goes numb.

Wilder is always getting injured, he broke his hand against Arreola too and tore his bicep, didn't prevent him from throwing punches:

[champion4ever]

Joyce show me a lot of improvement in his fight with Stiverne. What impressed me the most is that he actually showed an ability to box and an iron chin.

He ate some very nice counters from Stiverne but they didn't so much as budge him. In addition, he showed that he has great stamina and cardiovascular conditioning too.

Stiverne had many openings that he could have taken advantage of; However he handicapped himself by not coming in shape. He was always a split second slower than usual on the trigger.

Perhaps had he come in greater shape he would have performed much better. In any case, I say give Joyce until next year and then he should be ready for title contention status.

[Jersey Walcott]

Stiverne actually beat someone for his belt though.....

but we are comparing D level fighters now.

Stiverne was definitely a TOP5 boxer in 2012-2015.

The worst heavy champions were Ibragimov, Liahkovic, Martin, etc, but Stiverne was a good fighter in his prime. Altough small with 188 cm..

[champion4ever]

Bit of an issue for Wilder die-hards now, because a guy with less than 10 fights and looking very slow and limited beats the hell out of the second best opponent on Wilders entire resume.

One have to keep in mind that Bermane Stiverne is semi-retired. He has only fought twice in four years. In addition, this version of B. Ware was a broken shell of himself. He didn't train for this fight neither did he show up to win. He thought that maybe if he showed up then he could get lucky and perhaps somehow win the fight on experience. However, he was wrong. He underestimated Joe Joyce. He only came to survive and collect a paycheck.

[Bad Bart]

Joyce is like a very poor man's George foreman ,he lacks foreman footwork and speed but man this guy will give any heavyweight problems if his chin can hold up,very educated pressure and an amazing performance considering it's his 8th fight

This guy wants to be the heavyweight champ of the world hes not going for bum of the month,this guy believes in himself and that's the way to do this shiz seriously

He doesn't care about slowly building a fanbase hes either going to take over the division by getting rid of good fighters or hes gonna get exposed,props for giving the fans fights they actually wanna see and learning the hard way

This stuff he put on there is proper 70s style "i take your soul or you take mine" what's not to like?

This is the kind of performance youd expect to seem from someone naturally gifted like Joshua and wilder with their power and athleticism putting away smaller men with power and educated pressure

This ring general ship is not seen in either of them champions

For a big slow guy he knows what hes doing pressure wise unlike the other more gifted guys

Wont be surprised when everyone jumps on this train he should stop or be stopped if he goes into every fight like this and he will be a big deal very soon

It takes a while for educated pressure fighters to get people behind them,check out ggg for example

This has to be tongue in cheek, right?

[_Rexy_]

No, its wrong...

Wilder used his right hand in the 7-8-9 rounds too..
Check the fight again, please!

Doesnt matter what Wilder say..

Stiverne wasnt knocked out, he was down after the bell clearly...

When you break your hand in a fight, you are basically only without it until it goes numb, so hypothetically if you were to break your hand in round 3, you're probably not going to use it until maybe round 5, then you'll be back to throwing it again, just with less conviction

[PBR Streetgang]

You are right, of course, but revisionist history 101 always shows up when someone wants to discredit someone or a something. That 12 round domination of Stiverne was the first time I had ever seen Wilder live, and Stiverne was game. He has never been anything but a really good "B" level HW, but he was respectable then. He was blown out, but he was active and looking for the win. There is nothing of that fighter left. He is not even a gate keeper. He is strictly "C" level, and probably that is rating him too high.

Joyce may have gotten the win over a name, but I have zero idea if he actually got any growth out this fight.

Yeah, that was a completely different Stiverne back then. He was aggressive and threw punches with bad intentions earlier in his career. I picked him to beat and stop Wilder when they first matched up. Wilder outboxed him in that fight, Stiverne ate alot of shots and kept coming (ineffectively) for 12 rounds. At the time, Stiverne blamed his poor performance on overtraining. That wasn't the Stiverne we saw last night. Last night's Stiverne didn't train at all.

Let's see him in with Martin or Washington or Duhaupas.

[jas]

joyce's chin vs wilder's right hand = brain damage for joyce

[Roberto Vasquez]

Yeah this dude is nowhere near ready for the top level, Ortiz would've waxed him. He's heavy handed but that's pretty much it, very easy to hit.

Maybe Ortiz would have done, but who has Ortiz beaten? No one in loads of fights. This is the same issue with Wilder. Who has Wilder beaten? No-one in loads of fights.

At least Joyce is actually fighting someone decent early on in his career....