Is Showtime heading the HBO way?

[Bullrider]

Showtime, PBC, Fox, what's the difference? They're all controlled by Haymon. All he does is come up with random fights. There's no continuity. Wins don't lead to bigger fights. Their fighters, instead of working on their next fights, are put on the shelves for long periods of time. And when they do come back, it's usually against someone who fans had to speculate whether it's competitive or meaningless, ie, Charlo vs TBA, instead of someone who fans have in mind.

[Scipio2009]

Losing half their roster hurts Showtime much more than FOX's exposure helps them, surely.

If Showtime ends up with their PPV slate this year being Pacquiao-Broner, Wilder-Fury 2, Thurman-Pacquiao, and Wilder-Joshua to close out the year (or Spence-Porter/Ugas winner vs Danny Garcia or Spence-Porter/Ugas winner vs Thurman-Pacquiao winner in hand for early 2020), how hurt was Showtime really?

Showtime is missing out on a ton of really good events, but it's not like they're not getting anything or even missing out on many of the really big fights.

[Scipio2009]

People are crazy if they think that Showtime/CBS are happy about one of their competitors investing heavily into the boxing business at their expense.

Showtime isn't counter-programming FOX/FS1, and FOX/FS1 isn't counter-programming Showtime, so what are you even talking about?

The aims of the two broadcasters are different, full stop.

[pillowfists98]

Showtime isn't counter-programming FOX/FS1, and FOX/FS1 isn't counter-programming Showtime, so what are you even talking about?

The aims of the two broadcasters are different, full stop.

How are their aims different? Do you think Showtime was happy about losing a lot of those PBC fighters to Fox aka one of CBS's competitors?

[AddiX]

Davis vs Ruiz is a bum bash & Degale vs Eubanks is two B level Brits who are not really known in America! Is that the best Showtime has to offer!

Degale and eubank is big In the UK, at least we get to watch it in the US with dazn.

Dazn is international, not every fight is for american fans lol

Every hardcore American boxing fan has been begging a channel that shows international fights, now we have it, what you crying about?

[Scipio2009]

PBC has grown but will Showtime Boxing content in the next few years! Manny Pacquaio is a 40 yr old past his prime that fights on PPV! So far in this year Showtime has been lacking with boxing content. As a showtime subscriber for solely boxing I might cancel my subscription with no good fight lined up for the next few months! Davis vs Ruiz is a disgrace and I for sure won’t pay PPV to watch a 40 yr old Pacquaio! I’m sure other boxing fans think the same!

Deontay Wilder is fighting Tyson Fury again on PPV, and if he wins that fight and negotiations are sensible, we likely see Wilder-Joshua on PPV too. Pacquiao's old, but we still have Thurman-Pacquiao to look forward to likely for July. And then you have the chance of a Spence fight close/open the year on PPV.

And that's before you look at the ~10 ShoBox dates, the SHO International cards, and the dozen or so Showtime Championship Boxing dates on the channel. You get the PPV the Saturday after anyway, in case you don't want to pay the fee (plus access to basically every PPV main event since Floyd first signed the deal), and you'd know that if you were actually a Showtime subscriber, lol.

Value for money still

[Mooshashi]

If it means I wont ever have to hear Mauro Ranellos screaming biatch voice again then im all for it.

[Scipio2009]

Well Garcia Spence isn't a Showtime PPV fight, its FOX. And how can Fox and Showtime be "family" if Showtime is owned by one of Fox's competitors (CBS)?

Because Fox Sports is using PBC to largely fill the content hole that was left with UFC moving to ESPN. Fox Sports wants big fights, but filling the hole is far more important.

Showtime wants to deliver value to their subscribers; major events, quality fights for the hardcore fan, access to the best international fight cards, etc.

There's more than enough content in the Haymon-affiliated pool of talent to fill the needs of both broadcasters.

[Rip Chudd]

Showtime boxing just doesn't feel like a big show, never has.

Production level has never been on HBOs level, so if the fights aren't really good I'm just not interested.

Well Showtime can hire HBO's production crew now seeing as they are out of work

[Leonbus2]

Don’t give up. Windows and OSX still rocking Intel.

PBC, Showtime, Fox all family.

But windows and osx as well as mcdonalds and bk produce one thing (the os and burgers).

Showtime (and fox) has a broad spectrum of entertainment and could drop boxing if it is not profitable. Fox cuts into showtimes boxing profits.

The point the guy is making is that boxing on showtime would benefit more without fox. With fox, it benefits less. This is regardless of the success of pbc.

To follow your analogy, is it possible for microsoft or apple to stop making os or mcdlds and bk stop selling burgers?

But it is possible for a tv network to drop certain content because it has other content.

In fact the existence of osx is not good for windows profits. Just as boxing on fox means people do not watch those fights on showtime.

If pbc is intel, that's fine, but the guy was explaining the competition between networks, not the success of pbc. Or the competition between windows and osx, not intel.