Is Showtime heading the HBO way?

[Scipio2009]

And HBO had 3 consecutive Canelo PPV's that sold a million buys and they still got out of boxing. That's no guarantee.

HBO didn't put anything behind that, which was the problem; even after the Haymon freezeout, HBO stopped financing the support shows on their schedule with the talent they kept working with.

HBO didn't want to pay for the nonsense that Top Rank was offering, not did they want to "lower themselves" by working with smaller outfits to bring back BAD, so eventually they just said "**** it".

Showtime, outside of the Haymon-Oscar split and maybe the early part of the PBC effort, hasn't skipped on the infrastructure; in Yr 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018, Showtime has delivered at least 15 fight nights a year, and that's unlikely to change for the next 4 years either.

Try talking when Showtime only air 8 fight cards in a year.

[Scipio2009]

Showtime has always played second fiddle to HBO and to some degree even the boxers signed to them have ...jimmy Lennon Jnr was always a weak substitute to Michael buffer as well....I think showtime are gradually on there way out !!!

Top Rank called Jimmy Lennon Jr to carry their last event, lol.

[Thuglife Nelo]

But windows and osx as well as mcdonalds and bk produce one thing (the os and burgers).

Showtime (and fox) has a broad spectrum of entertainment and could drop boxing if it is not profitable. Fox cuts into showtimes boxing profits.

The point the guy is making is that boxing on showtime would benefit more without fox. With fox, it benefits less. This is regardless of the success of pbc.

To follow your analogy, is it possible for microsoft or apple to stop making os or mcdlds and bk stop selling burgers?

But it is possible for a tv network to drop certain content because it has other content.

In fact the existence of osx is not good for windows profits. Just as boxing on fox means people do not watch those fights on showtime.

If pbc is intel, that's fine, but the guy was explaining the competition between networks, not the success of pbc. Or the competition between windows and osx, not intel.

I prefer Carl Jr.'s twice on Sunday.

And regarding PBC, Showtime and Fox, they're all family. If you're a network with Fox, you're not blind to know that you're benefitting off a brand (PBC) stemming from Showtime, CBS Sports. These networks know they gain from each other. Fox nor Showtime need any insecurities to battle each other out.

[Scipio2009]

More boxing the better but the question is boxing on showtime is being lead to fail with weak cards and low ratings! When was the last time showtime hit the 1 million views! Their is female soccer college games due better views than Shobox or weak Showtime cards! Fox is doing great but showtime not so well!

The Showtime app is already in well over 3m homes (on top of the 20+ million homes with the channel), Showtime will host the last 2-3 PPVs of Pacquiao's run before he goes away, and Showtime will host the PPV run of Deontay Wilder for however long it lasts, while also likely hosting the PPV runs of Spence and Davis (if it happens).

You literally understand nothing, lol

[Scipio2009]

How are their aims different? Do you think Showtime was happy about losing a lot of those PBC fighters to Fox aka one of CBS's competitors?

Fox Sports is getting content to fill in FS1; Showtime is looking to deliver the best fights that they can to their subscribers.

Espinoza would've loved to have Spence-Mikey on Showtime, but FOX got it instead; Showtime still got Pacquiao-Broner, and will Wilder-Fury 2 and Thurman-Pacquiao to close out the first half of 2019, to go along with a feature for Gervonta Davis, a likely LSC-GRJ fight later, the Cuban stacked show, the return of Broner, and the continued development of Haney, 'Boots', and Claressa on ShoBox.

Showtime hasn't been left in the cold on the deal.

[Bullrider]

Seems this thread is still relevant.

[True That]

Showtime been going down the same path as HBO.

Showtime needs to hang up their boxing gloves pretty soon.

[rickJen]

They spent all their money overpaying Wilder
just to show they can match Hearn's offer.
Or to keep Deontay from crossing the street.

[-DSG-]

Yes because eventually fox is going to want everything and they have shown they can promote better than showtime.

[Pigeons]

Showtime pays millions for cards and they garner less than 500K all the time unless Wilder is fighting. They're not long for boxing I fear.