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  • Thuglife Nelo
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    #81
    Originally posted by Shadoww702
    July 26th Andrade vs. Saunders is agreed upon.

    August 30th Saunders FAILED a VADA urine test.

    October 20th suppose to fight Andrade.
    What’s more alarming is that Lara and Canelo are 365. How come no other boxers are doing it?

    The reality is because all boxers take supplements. Supplements have 99% trace elements on the banned substance list. The there’s the realistic epidemic of meats worldwide that have growth hormones. The difference between the USA and Mexico is that most Americans from Urban cities buy from Supermarket chains that already have a protocol with industry cattle houses. Meaning, rural areas get their stocks from local zones, and those even more rural get it from their local village. Many of the rural villagers of the USA use growth hormones. The chances of an Urban city American champion isn’t eating meat from a rural village in Wyoming whose trace levels would easily find a growth hormone.

    The WBC and VADA exploited the time frame with Canelo’s whereabouts. Since you are supposed to tell VADa your whereabouts it’s easy for Suleiman to find info with areas of contamination. Again, trace levels.

    If you hit any gym where guys are openly using Clenbuterol and need not worry to compete as a professional or worry about advanced drug testing, they’d have concentrated levels above the mg in their blood, not picograms. Since when did Canelo walk around like Chino Maidana with 80-100 days away from the GGG rematch to use Clen? As Doug Fischer said, if Canelo wanted to “cheat” he would’ve used designer drugs with more ideal banned substance traces other than Clen. No reports other than Clen. Clen messes with the heart. A boxer with stamina problems could be dentrimental. Most steroid related deaths are caused by heart complications. Canelo is a gym rat, you don’t use Clen unless you’re Chino Maidana.

    Since Canelo doesn’t look fat like BJS in almost every random interview, Canelo, should he want to “cut weight” even though he is always in top form, should’ve just been in the UK 80 days away and have done the pressers there so that he could use Oxilofrine cause it’s all good out of competition!!

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    • Thuglife Nelo
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      #82
      Originally posted by kafkod
      UKAD accepted that not giving Fury notice that he could be charged, and waiting 15 months before charging him, meant that he couldn't defend his case for how it entered his body. So the charge of intentional use should be deemed rebutted.
      You do realize intent is irrelevant with advance drug testing. Somehow you forgot strict liability.

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      • kafkod
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        #83
        Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
        You do realize intent is irrelevant with advance drug testing. Somehow you forgot strict liability.
        You do realise you just contradicted what you said in the comment I replied to?

        No, you don't realise that. It would mean you had a clue wtf you were talking about.

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          #84
          Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
          What’s more alarming is that Lara and Canelo are 365. How come no other boxers are doing it?

          The reality is because all boxers take supplements. Supplements have 99% trace elements on the banned substance list. The there’s the realistic epidemic of meats worldwide that have growth hormones. The difference between the USA and Mexico is that most Americans from Urban cities buy from Supermarket chains that already have a protocol with industry cattle houses. Meaning, rural areas get their stocks from local zones, and those even more rural get it from their local village. Many of the rural villagers of the USA use growth hormones. The chances of an Urban city American champion isn’t eating meat from a rural village in Wyoming whose trace levels would easily find a growth hormone.

          The WBC and VADA exploited the time frame with Canelo’s whereabouts. Since you are supposed to tell VADa your whereabouts it’s easy for Suleiman to find info with areas of contamination. Again, trace levels.

          If you hit any gym where guys are openly using Clenbuterol and need not worry to compete as a professional or worry about advanced drug testing, they’d have concentrated levels above the mg in their blood, not picograms. Since when did Canelo walk around like Chino Maidana with 80-100 days away from the GGG rematch to use Clen? As Doug Fischer said, if Canelo wanted to “cheat” he would’ve used designer drugs with more ideal banned substance traces other than Clen. No reports other than Clen. Clen messes with the heart. A boxer with stamina problems could be dentrimental. Most steroid related deaths are caused by heart complications. Canelo is a gym rat, you don’t use Clen unless you’re Chino Maidana.

          Since Canelo doesn’t look fat like BJS in almost every random interview, Canelo, should he want to “cut weight” even though he is always in top form, should’ve just been in the UK 80 days away and have done the pressers there so that he could use Oxilofrine cause it’s all good out of competition!!
          You just said: "You do realize intent is irrelevant with advance drug testing. Somehow you forgot strict liability."

          Stop defending a proven PED cheat and apply the same standards to Canelo that you just applied to Fury, you damned hypocrite.

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #85
            Originally posted by kafkod
            You do realise you just contradicted what you said in the comment I replied to?

            No, you don't realise that. It would mean you had a clue wtf you were talking about.
            You're trying to prove without intent. Most cases a boxer denies allegations. For instance Hearn pushing for BJS to be stripped so that he could give the strap for his new champion simply meant strict liability and that BJS had agreed to the VADA terms.

            With Hearn just casually mocking that situation saying the UKAD needed revision and that out of competition was a "joke" - as well as Froch and Bellew - clearly shows that Hearn knows what DeGale is referring to. Hearn knows what happens domestically.

            Seriously, BJS almost always out of shape to then being chiseled close to fight. We know Ingle gave BJS regiments to cut weight. Hearn knew this. Look how sloppy BJS looks here 3 months away from the Monroe Jr. fight. BJS abused the Oxilofrine system. When he got caught he went dark. To this day and in all pressers in theory he would continua to deny intentional use. He's been advised to drop it. It makes UKAD suspect. This is one thing Hearn did good, though I'm sure the lower level non star pool of Matchroom boxers also use the nasal spray if need be close to fights. All politics.

            Last edited by Thuglife Nelo; 02-06-2019, 03:42 PM.

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              #86
              Originally posted by kafkod
              You just said: "You do realize intent is irrelevant with advance drug testing. Somehow you forgot strict liability."

              Stop defending a proven PED cheat and apply the same standards to Canelo that you just applied to Fury, you damned hypocrite.
              You're the only hypocrite here. I can just sit back and read you and Shadoww702 debate about Canelo vs Fury. As he said, you're in denial about Fury and BJS when you like making fun of Canelo. If anyone's a hypocrite it's you.

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                #87
                Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
                You're trying to prove without intent. Most cases a boxer denies allegations. For instance Hearn pushing for BJS to be stripped so that he could give the strap for his new champion simply meant strict liability and that BJS had agreed to the VADA terms.

                With Hearn just casually mocking that situation saying the UKAD needed revision and that out of competition was a "joke" - as well as Froch and Bellew - clearly shows that Hearn knows what DeGale is referring to. Hearn knows what happens domestically.

                Seriously, BJS almost always out of shape to then being chiseled close to fight. We know Ingle gave BJS regiments to cut weight. Hearn knew this. Look how sloppy BJS looks here 3 months away from the Monroe Jr. fight. BJS abused the Oxilofrine system. When he got caught he went dark. To this day and in all pressers in theory he would continua to deny intentional use. He's been advised to drop it. It makes UKAD suspect. This is one thing Hearn did good, though I'm sure the lower level non star pool of Matchroom boxers also use the nasal spray if need be close to fights. All politics.
                Classic Mirko monglish there!
                Last edited by kafkod; 02-06-2019, 06:18 PM.

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by kafkod
                  Classic Mirko monglish there!
                  Don't know who that is.

                  But is BJS and Fury, 365?

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
                    You're the only hypocrite here. I can just sit back and read you and Shadoww702 debate about Canelo vs Fury. As he said, you're in denial about Fury and BJS when you like making fun of Canelo. If anyone's a hypocrite it's you.
                    Thats my only issue with ppl attacking only 1 boxer and completely ignore others or WORSE defend their favorite fighters.

                    Its like when Pac fans attack JMM as a doper. Yet wouldnt do blood teating unless 30 20+ days before fight. That cost fans seeing PRIME Pac/Floyd

                    Its like two cheaters saying the other one is the cheat. You fkn BOTH are!!!! I feel like screaming.

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                      #90
                      It is widespread, Degale is actually one of the few natty fighters who got towards the top of the sport.

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