Comments Thread For: Dillian Whyte, Eddie Hearn Trade Words Over Joshua Deal Fallout

[Ake-Dawg]

I'm very pleased indeed that Fury is becoming popular in the States and I hope he'll become a real star by beating Wilder and picking up the WBC title.

But that would have no impact at all on AJ's popularity and will mean more money for both of them when they fight each other.

In the real world, real boxing fans are not like the fanboys who post here. They won't start hating one guy and boycotting his fights just because they start to like somebody else.

This thread is about Dillian Whyte turning down an offer to fight AJ. From what I've read the offer he's complaining about is $6/$7million.

That's a great offer for a voluntary defence against a challenger AJ already has a ko win against. Imo, most unbiased fans will see this as Dillian pricing himself out of a fantastic opportunity, rather than AJ lowballing him.

Whether or not this is a voluntary defense or a mandatory has no bearing on the size of the fight. The fact that Joshua won by KO also has no relevance. If the fans want to see the two of them dust it up again, Whyte should receive an offer relative to his value to the fight, not to his value to Joshua's career. Last year Hearn said this was a great fight that Whyte earned. Now, based on Hearn tweets, Joshua believes that 4M pounds is the maximum that Whyte is worth.

[thack]

I'm very pleased indeed that Fury is becoming popular in the States and I hope he'll become a real star by beating Wilder and picking up the WBC title.

But that would have no impact at all on AJ's popularity and will mean more money for both of them when they fight each other.

In the real world, real boxing fans are not like the fanboys who post here. They won't start hating one guy and boycotting his fights just because they start to like somebody else.

This thread is about Dillian Whyte turning down an offer to fight AJ. From what I've read the offer he's complaining about is $6/$7million.

That's a great offer for a voluntary defence against a challenger AJ already has a ko win against. Imo, most unbiased fans will see this as Dillian pricing himself out of a fantastic opportunity, rather than AJ lowballing him.

The $6m or so for challenging Joshua has become too low now that Whyte see's what's in the pot and thinks he is now (as Eddie's been telling him) a huge PPV star. I can't see immediately where he can earn as much but as Wilder saw again because of his name being included a huge pot and an initial offer of very little of this massive money.
$6m isn't a lot when these guys know whats in the pot and with Joshua's popularity this is now a norm , only now the opponents that matter won't wear it.

[Ake-Dawg]

Lolsss some ignoramus here again, BS comment. Champs rep don’t get dampened you dumb cvnt, AJ can as well retire been undefeated and an emeritus champ and only come back for a big fight and still fill out any stadium, if Ward, Mayweathee and the likes can come back and fight and still make multiple millions why can AJ? You forgot the Wilder-Fury fight was rode on the back of AJ popularity, how do you fan girls think? If I was an employee I wouldn’t give you a job to watch my pet!

I think you misunderstand the difference between local popularity and global popularity. Most are saying that Joshua's global popularity is diminishing and that's a big deal because he doesn't have much. The thought was once that the heavyweight division would get hot and it would be because of Joshua, however its because of Fury and Wilder.

Lastly, the Wilder Fury fight stood on its own. It wasn't some Joshua sweepstakes, it wasn't some battle for #2. It was two giants fighting. Power versus finess. Punching versus boxing. Hearn talked more about Wilder Fury than either fighter talked about Joshua. You can make any claim you want but the fight and its results are the reason why the two of them have gained in popularity. Think about it, you don't make that much money in the US by riding the back of a guy who's barely known in the US.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Whyte is ducked by:

1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Fury

Man, I must give Whyte on top position in division.

[kafkod]

Whether or not this is a voluntary defense or a mandatory has no bearing on the size of the fight. The fact that Joshua won by KO also has no relevance. If the fans want to see the two of them dust it up again, Whyte should receive an offer relative to his value to the fight, not to his value to Joshua's career. Last year Hearn said this was a great fight that Whyte earned. Now, based on Hearn tweets, Joshua believes that 4M pounds is the maximum that Whyte is worth.

The $6m or so for challenging Joshua has become too low now that Whyte see's what's in the pot and thinks he is now (as Eddie's been telling him) a huge PPV star. I can't see immediately where he can earn as much but as Wilder saw again because of his name being included a huge pot and an initial offer of very little of this massive money.
$6m isn't a lot when these guys know whats in the pot and with Joshua's popularity this is now a norm , only now the opponents that matter won't wear it.

AJ vs Martin was a big event, but AJ fought for peanuts because he believed he would win and the opportunity to become a world champion was worth more to him than just the purse for that one fight.

Whyte has now let everybody know that he doesn't think he can beat AJ, because if he did would have bitten Hearn's hand off for the initial £4million offer and looked forward to earning 10+ more by unifying the division against Fury or Wilder.

I think Dillian has shot himself in the foot big time with his "I'm a PPV star too" crap. The fans who pay to watch Whyte's fights - like me - will also pay to watch AJ, whether he fights Dillian or not.

I would have bought a PPV for Whyte vs AJ in a flash, but I probably won't bother now, even if happens. What's the point in paying to watch a title fight when the challenger himself doesn't think he has a chance of winning?

I reckon a lot of other UK fans will feel the same way. All Whyte is doing here is devaluing his own worth against AJ.

[IMDAZED]

If he was sharp he should go and fight Fat belly Miller in Brooklyn and build his profile in the states. If he beats Miller or Adam K then he can start commanding a bigger percentage. He knows he gets knocked out by Wilder. He is the spare tyre that is surplus to requirements. He is welcome to leave.

Meanwhile I feel AJ should just fight Ortiz on April 13th and make an example out of him. Obviously would need to stack the card with competitive fights because Ortiz goes sleep before the 5th round.

Maybe throw Marsellos Wilder on the card for some light entertainment. Put him up against a middleweight to ensure he doesn’t get knocked out. Maybe allow him a head guard out of respect for his older brother

Yeahhhh...no

[kafkod]

I think you misunderstand the difference between local popularity and global popularity. Most are saying that Joshua's global popularity is diminishing and that's a big deal because he doesn't have much. The thought was once that the heavyweight division would get hot and it would be because of Joshua, however its because of Fury and Wilder.

Lastly, the Wilder Fury fight stood on its own. It wasn't some Joshua sweepstakes, it wasn't some battle for #2. It was two giants fighting. Power versus finess. Punching versus boxing. Hearn talked more about Wilder Fury than either fighter talked about Joshua. You can make any claim you want but the fight and its results are the reason why the two of them have gained in popularity. Think about it, you don't make that much money in the US by riding the back of a guy who's barely known in the US.

You think Fury and Wilder are just going to keep fighting each other, for bigger and bigger purses, for the rest of their careers?

Reminder ... AJ has 3 HW title belts and is rated No1 in the division by just about everybody who matters. Either Fury or Wilder is going to have to fight him sometime in the next year or so.

[Ake-Dawg]

You think Fury and Wilder are just going to keep fighting each other, for bigger and bigger purses, for the rest of their careers?

Reminder ... AJ has 3 HW title belts and is rated No1 in the division by just about everybody who matters. Either Fury or Wilder is going to have to fight him sometime in the next year or so.

Dude...we are talking about right now. Once Wilder and Fury finish their business, the boxing public will look to Joshua to step up and fight the winner. That's just the way it is.

As far as those 3 belts and "no. 1 ranking" mean nothing for global popularity or legacy. To stay #1 you have to continuously prove it. That doesn't mean regularly fighting the worst of the good fighters. It means beating the best of the best and looking good doing it.

[that g]

Dude...we are talking about right now. Once Wilder and Fury finish their business, the boxing public will look to Joshua to step up and fight the winner. That's just the way it is.

As far as those 3 belts and "no. 1 ranking" mean nothing for global popularity or legacy. To stay #1 you have to continuously prove it. That doesn't mean regularly fighting the worst of the good fighters. It means beating the best of the best and looking good doing it.

AJ remains the best in the division
AJ remains the fighter with the best resume.
AJ remains the most popular heavyweight. not even close.
AJ remains ranked number 1 by all ranking systems that matter.
AJ remains the only one who has consistently "beaten the best of the best, and looking good doing it".

tell me again how wilder or fury have done any of these things you're demanding from AJ?
and by the way, you can claim all you want that holding and defending 3 belts and no 1 ranking mean nothing for popularity or legacy, even though that just means you are full of cow poopoo, but at the end of the day, AJ has the 3 belts AND the popularity AND the legacy by what he has accomplished so far in his career. all those things don't suddenly disappear because a few other fighters decided to not fight AJ.

at the end of the day, you are just a shill for the anti hearn/anti AJ narrative. carry on.

[kafkod]

Dude...we are talking about right now. Once Wilder and Fury finish their business, the boxing public will look to Joshua to step up and fight the winner. That's just the way it is.

The boxing public will also look to the winner of Fury vs Wilder to step up and fight AJ.

Fury will do it, but if Wilder gets lucky and somehow manages to beat Fury, I think he will go back to fighting cans and not go anywhere near AJ.