Comments Thread For: Dillian Whyte, Eddie Hearn Trade Words Over Joshua Deal Fallout

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By all means if he has said something different from his own mouth please post so at least I can reason with you

Thank you for posting this, I had not seen it. I was responding to the article in this thread. Quoted "Of course we were serious about the fight. We wouldn't waste everyone's time with three different offers, we don't do it for fun. AJ controls the finances and the offers came from AJ. As WBO mandatory challenger Dillian was due 20 percent and the final offer was considerably more than that," Hearn told Davies."


Eddie is 100% correct in the interview you posted. Usyk could force everyones hand and demand an automatic title shot. It's a rule that I love. Whyte is ranked #1 if he does or doesn't do that, but being ranked #1 is just a ranking. It's not being #1 contender. The WBO would call a final eliminator. It's why I kept saying that Whyte was being lied to by Hearn when he was saying that he was #1 contender for the WBC. He was/is ranked #1 but he didn't fight in the eliminator. It's also the reason that I said that Hearn has had a habit of lying about this, because he also was saying that the winner of Vargas/Dulorme became the #1 contender for the WBC Welterweight title, which was untrue.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Funny thing is, the same people that say Whyte is domestic level, claim Ortiz is top 4. Or even top 2.

Because he beat american bum Jennings.

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I personally don’t think Whyte is a very good fighter. But he seems sharp outside the ring. I suspect he’s done with Hearn.

[Oyins4u]

Whyte has had 2 pay per views in 2018 he earns millions per fight if AJ really wanted the fight he’d of offered a decent split instead of a flat fee

Split in what %? Didn't you read where he was offered a pay above his 20% as mandatory for WBO.

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Kevin Iole
Yahoo Sports
November 26, 2018:

Ali fought 14 fights against eight men who are enshrined in the International Boxing Hall of Fame, going 11-3 with eight knockouts. He became a legend by fighting the legends and never letting a bout marinate. There will never be another Ali, but for the current trio of champions to garner the kind of recognition and respect that the fighters in Ali’s era had, they’ll have to do as Ali did and fight the best without hesitation.

The story of the heavyweight division in the last two years can’t be told with the unending “Will they or won’t they” saga that followed Wilder and Joshua. After both won fights in March, the expectation was that they’d fight each other.

Wilder essentially gave up everything but the clothes on his back in a bid to make the fight, and it still wasn’t good enough for Joshua.

Now, this isn’t to say that Joshua is afraid or that he isn’t the best fighter of the three. That is very much up in the air.

But consider this: At the first real opportunity Wilder had to fight Joshua, he offered Joshua the first $50 million and then a 50-50 split of all revenue after. Basically, Wilder was showing by his actions that he wanted to fight. He wasn’t worried about the venue or the referee or the percentage. Joshua said he was the best heavyweight in the world. Wilder was willing to prove it.

When it became obvious that Joshua wasn’t going to fight Wilder in 2018, Wilder immediately jumped into negotiations with Fury, the lineal champion who lost the belts that Joshua now holds not in the ring but because he had mental health issues that kept him out of the ring for more than two full years.

Joshua is a massive star in the U.K., and he’s had significant wins over Wladimir Klitschko, Joseph Parker and Alexander Povetkin. But Joshua isn’t widely known in the U.S., largely because he hasn’t fought here but also because he hasn’t faced the two men that matter most: Wilder and Fury.

The winner of the Wilder-Fury fight will gain more leverage in talks for a fight with Joshua in 2019. If Wilder beats Fury, he not only has the WBC belt, but he’ll become the lineal champion, meaning he’s the man who beat the man. He will also have introduced himself to the rabid British fan base by defeating one of its heroes.

Fury is already hugely popular in the U.K. and would simply enhance his position by besting Wilder in the U.S....

Wilder and Fury are fighting each other because that’s what fighters do. Joshua is missing an opportunity by not being there on Saturday, though he missed an opportunity long ago by not putting his name on a contract to fight Wilder.

No matter how Wilder-Fury plays out, Anthony Joshua comes out of it at least somewhat diminished.

It’s long past time that he looks at the example that Ali, Frazier and Foreman set decades ago.

He needs to get himself into the mix with Wilder and Fury as soon as possible, or he’ll be viewed as just another guy who wouldn’t challenge himself when it mattered most.

https://sports.yahoo.com/will-anthon...194211957.html

A 50 million BT sports deal offer to Joshua isn't an anything first real opportunity. It was a team Wilder counter offer of nonsense , the first real opportunity was the actual first offer from Hearn , later agreed to months later and 3 million more in which Wilder lost his pen. Wilder bottled it and only real fans know who's to blame.

[Bronx2245]

A 50 million BT sports deal offer to Joshua isn't an anything first real opportunity. It was a team Wilder counter offer of nonsense , the first real opportunity was the actual first offer from Hearn , later agreed to months later and 3 million more in which Wilder lost his pen. Wilder bottled it and only real fans know who's to blame.

Write Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports, and submit your complaint.

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Write Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports, and submit your complaint.

It's not a complaint it's all factual unless you care to once again get shut down on here and discuss , we don't need Mr Iole do we ?

[Bronx2245]

It's not a complaint it's all factual unless you care to once again get shut down on here and discuss , we don't need Mr Iole do we ?

Yeah, I would kind of like Kevin Iole, Dan Rafael, and others to have that debate with you! My view, from the cheap seats, is that Ortiz, Wilder, Whyte, and Miller, all say that Joshua is a diva, and Hearn, "low-key" is saying he doesn't control the offers (which I find very unusual for fighter-promoter relations) but Joshua does! So i'm going to enjoy Wilder vs. Fury II, and sit back and see who Joshua does eventually fight, and where!

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Yeah, I would kind of like Kevin Iole, Dan Rafael, and others to have that debate with you! My view, from the cheap seats, is that Ortiz, Wilder, Whyte, and Miller, all say that Joshua is a diva, and Hearn, "low-key" is saying he doesn't control the offers (which I find very unusual for fighter-promoter relations) but Joshua does! So i'm going to enjoy Wilder vs. Fury II, and sit back and see who Joshua does eventually fight, and where!

No you would rather swerve a forum member calling you out on a misleading article you posted because you know you won't be able to defend it. Ha

[Bronx2245]

No you would rather swerve a forum member calling you out on a misleading article you posted because you know you won't be able to defend it. Ha

I don't defend the articles, I just post them! It's the author's job to defend his work, not me! Besides, what makes you an authority? Anyway, here, have another:

Why Anthony Joshua Is The Odd Man Out In The Heavyweight Division Right Now
Peter Khan
Forbes
January 25, 2019:

Former heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis hit the nail on the head recently when talking about where Anthony Joshua stands in the heavyweight division. In a recent interview, Lewis said, "Now that Wilder and Fury are taking part in a likely rematch, Joshua is forced to become the odd man out until the smoke clears."

"With Wilder Fury 2 happening, Eddie (Hearn) is now scrambling for a viable opponent for Joshua. If Joshua handles his business in April, the winner of Wilder Fury 2 should take on Joshua for the undisputed title. If that doesn’t happen, then we know that it’s just about milking the British fans for as much money as possible, instead of bringing the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world back home to them for the second time in their lifetime. Just that simple," Lewis said.

The leverage and power in the heavyweight division shifted on December 1, 2018, when Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury fought to an exciting draw acquiring over 350,000 pay-per-view buys along the way. Not only was new life breathed into the heavyweight division, but Anthony Joshua's relevance was also downgraded a few notches overnight. The truth of the matter is that it's starting to feel like Joshua simply has no desire to fight Wilder or Fury. At least not in the short term.

Eddie Hearn, Joshua's promoter and Joshua have done a great job in building Joshua's brand and revitalizing the British boxing scene. There's no denying that. The ability to put 90,000 fans in Wembley Stadium on more than one occasion and over 78,000 fans in Cardiff is something that no heavyweight champion in the United States has ever been able to do in modern time and is quite remarkable. But it's time to face the facts. In order for Joshua to truly become the undisputed superstar that he already thinks he is and very well might be, he must come to the United States and fight Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury. It's that simple. The championship belts matter, but at the same time, they don't matter. Right now, the argument can be made that after his performance on December 1, Tyson Fury is the people's champ. What happened to the April 13 date at Wembley? We're heading into February and there is still yet to be a formal announcement as to who Joshua will be fighting. Furthermore, it's insulting to boxing fans that Joshua could be entertaining a Dillian Whyte rematch. No disrespect to Whyte who is coming off an impressive knockout victory over Derek Chisora, but we've already seen that movie. We know the ending.

Look, Joshua is a very good heavyweight champion, but he hasn't earned "great" status yet. He's won an Olympic Gold medal in 2012 and he has beaten everyone put in front of him in his professional career including an aged Wladimir Klitschko, Alexander Povetkin and an overrated Joseph Parker. No one else currently on his resume is going to cement his legacy as being great. He needs that career-defining fight and come October, Joshua turns 30 years old. It's now or never.

For all of the criticism that Wilder has taken over the years, he has never backed down from anyone. He's methodically removed all of the pieces off of the chess board in the past year to corner Joshua into a checkmate position. Wilder fought both Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury leaving no other options for Joshua. While I'm not privileged to negotiations, I did recently spend time with Wilder and manager Shelly Finkel in Wilder's suite at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. I looked right into Wilder's eyes and said, "Look, I don't know your business for 2019 or whether or not you're going to fight Joshua or Fury, but it's going to be a defining year for you." He simply looked at me and said, "Why not both?" My take away from that is that Wilder will fight anyone ready to make a deal and anywhere they want to fight. Once again, it's my own opinion, but it feels to me like Joshua has priced himself out of a Wilder fight happening simply to avoid the fight.

In order for Joshua to be great, he needs to take risks. Greatness is earned by taking chances. That's something he should have learned after watching Wilder vs. Fury. There were no losers in that fight. Boxing was the winner that evening. Until Joshua fights Wilder or Fury, anything else is going to be a letdown.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterka.../#1bc6b88371b9