Manny Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather IF HE FIGHTS Keith Thurman!

[IceTrayDaGang]

It actually enhances Mayweather's legacy.

nah, you dont get credit for what others did lol.

[The Big Dunn]

then why come in over the limit????

i also think manny is always better than cotto so the weight wasnt so much of a factor either, not so much compare to pac's speed, awkwardness.

He didn't come in over the limit, he didn't sign it until it was changed to 146.

Yes, I would agree that Floyd>>>>Manny>Cotto.

[DuckAdonis]

I have never seen Manny ranked in the top 10 all time or ahead of Floyd in any credible rankings of ATG fighters. Just recently ESPN did their top 25 of the last 25 years and Floyd was #1, ahead of Manny.

If you have a ranking with him higher can you post it please.

Did I say I have Manny ranked ahead of Floyd? No I didn't...read my post again bro. I think Mayweather is top 5 of all time and i'd rank him over Manny as well.

[j.razor]

As I say, Floyd cheated scales. But Pac has more wins over jmm anyway

JMM beat Manny in ALL of their fights. The last one they couldn't rob him but they wanted to.

[hugh grant]

Ok. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't think that changes my point that Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win you also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. In that respect Manny might have the best win, but he has the worst losses and draws that when factored in would have to offset wins to a certain degree.

You have to factor In the fact pac beat jmm 3 times, and it took 4 attempts to ko Pac after stepping on his foot and many believe JMM was on pEds. He couldn't take any pac shots in first fight but somehow in 4th fight, he was willing to take Pacs shots to get his own ko blow in? If he had of done that in first fight he wouldn't have seen 3rd round.

You are entitled to your opinion. Whatever you post though has no validity or credibility because yout posted Floyd had to beat Shane, cotto, ODH, Hatton and Manny to be an ATG and best of his era. When he beat all of them, you deleted the post to try and avoid having to admit Floyd was the best of his era.

Add to that, Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny in all credible rankings of fighters.

Your just making things up time and time again about me saying Floyd has to beat DLH, Cotto and SSM to be best of era. I said he had to beat them to be mentioned as an ATG alongside the Pac, dURANS, AND aLIS of this world.
Most polls who ranked Floyd above Pac were knee jerk reactions to JMM koing Pac and being swayed by Floyd fans laughing at Pac as a result. Plus I think they are biased American polls.

[The Big Dunn]

You have to factor In the fact pac beat jmm 3 times, and it took 4 attempts to ko Pac after stepping on his foot and many believe JMM was on pEds. He couldn't take any pac shots in first fight but somehow in 4th fight, he was willing to take Pacs shots to get his own ko blow in? If he had of done that in first fight he wouldn't have seen 3rd round.



Your just making things up time and time again about me saying Floyd has to beat DLH, Cotto and SSM to be best of era. I said he had to beat them to be mentioned as an ATG alongside the Pac, dURANS, AND aLIS of this world.
Most polls who ranked Floyd above Pac were knee jerk reactions to JMM koing Pac and being swayed by Floyd fans laughing at Pac as a result. Plus I think they are biased American polls.

Manny didn't beat JMM 3 times. he is 2-1-1.

If I was making it up you wouldn't have deleted the post.

No, these polls are not and they aren't all American voters. Floyd is just the better fighter. He is better based on the standards you posted as well.

[chrisJS]

Ok. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't think that changes my point that Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win you also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. In that respect Manny might have the best win, but he has the worst losses and draws that when factored in would have to offset wins to a certain degree.

I made it clear Corrales wasn't as good as Barrera. I also used an example of how a win over a non ATG can be a significant win in a fighter's career given the context when the fight takes place.

That is correct.

I'm not sure who'll rank higher. I think both will have to go away for a few years and then we can assess more clearly. I think more and more fighters are retiring unbeaten and will continue to do so which makes Floyd's career not quite as unprecedented whereas I'm not sure we'll see many lineal flyweight champions skip a few divisions and dominate so many elites. Imagine if he beats Thurman or at least stays competitive, in his 40's? I think as of now it's close but I give an edge to Pacquaio. That may change as my perception changes once the dust settles. Floyd has some unprecedented financial successes but I think Pacquaio had higher peaks and more unprecedented successes that it may tip even further in his favor.

Holyfield has a grip of losses but he's far greater than Lewis, Tyson, Bowe who all have more wins and even less losses combined.

IMO what BOTH Mayweather and Pacquaio lack is a single, dominant reign as the one true ruler of a division. That IMO is very overlooked in this day and age of glorifying jumping up and down grabbing a title here and there.

[IceTrayDaGang]

He didn't come in over the limit, he didn't sign it until it was changed to 146.

Yes, I would agree that Floyd>>>>Manny>Cotto.

because he came in over weight!!!! why did he had to pay a fee then?

[IMDAZED]

nah, you dont get credit for what others did lol.

Think about what you just said.

[hugh grant]

Manny didn't beat JMM 3 times. he is 2-1-1.

If I was making it up you wouldn't have deleted the post.

No, these polls are not and they aren't all American voters. Floyd is just the better fighter. He is better based on the standards you posted as well.

Historically, 3 wins is better than 1 win. It would be 3 wins if not error on scorecard. Floyd cheated scales, came in over contracted weight so it further downgrades his win over JMM.
Pac beat all common opponents more dominantly, so to try to make an excuse for why that is, is only to try make Floyd some kind of charity case who needs help to justify Floyd not being able to match Pac,
Pac is greater than Floyd. Most boxing fans will tell you that.