Manny Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather IF HE FIGHTS Keith Thurman!

[IceTrayDaGang]

So he did fight someone that beat Manny.

Cheated on the scales isn't a real thing, just something butthurt NSB posters made to avoid giving credit to Floyd. Pathetic.

You are the same guy that posted Floyd had to beat Shane, cotto, ODH, Hatton and Manny to be an ATG. When he beat all of them, you deleted the post. Lucky for us, a couple of posters had sigged it.

Why would you delete it? Since you did you have absolutely zero credibility.

It's ok, we know you like Manny and can't accept that Floyd is better than him and always has been.

hmm but arent you running around with that same excuse? "bu bu but cotto was 145".......

[Thraxox]

Ok if you meant Bradley, then that means you should include Canelo for Floyd because he surely will be a HOF as well and was in his prime. I guess Hatton may also fit that description for both guys.

I think it compares with Corrales. Corrales was undefeated and was the favorite going into the fight. Corrales was prime and never had retired. Is Barrera better than Corrales All time, yes. But context is important it's why for example Duran's win over Davey Moore is considered one of his best even though Moore is an afterthought in the history of the sport.

I think in the end Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win, it's about all the wins and the losses and draws. You also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. The JMM1 draw is particularly bad because he was up 10-6 after 1 round.

Okay, cool if you think that is the case more power to you. I disagree still.

[The Big Dunn]

hmm but arent you running around with that same excuse? "bu bu but cotto was 145".......

Where did I say Manny cheated on the scales? In the other thread I asked a legitimate question-you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages?

[IceTrayDaGang]

Where did I say Manny cheated on the scales? In the other thread I asked a legitimate question-you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages?

and you have to wonder if marquez was affected by the heavier weight floyd came in at.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Where did I say Manny cheated on the scales? In the other thread I asked a legitimate question-you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages?

he beat clottey at 146 prior to fighting manny at 145 so im assuming he was ok . or was he only affected in the manny fight because he loss?

[The Big Dunn]

and you have to wonder if marquez was affected by the heavier weight floyd came in at.

ok. I think Floyd was always bigger, stronger, better and faster than both Manny and JMM so the weight was a factor, but not as big a factor as the speed, skill and talent.

he beat clottey at 146 prior to fighting manny at 145 so im assuming he was ok . or was he only affected in the manny fight because he loss?

Why do you keep isolating just that piece of the post? I made it clear that it's all 3 things in combination, not just the CW.

Sadly, like a ******ed child, you are fixated on that 1 piece of the post.

you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages.

[chrisJS]

Ok if you meant Bradley, then that means you should include Canelo for Floyd because he surely will be a HOF as well and was in his prime. I guess Hatton may also fit that description for both guys.

I think it compares with Corrales. Corrales was undefeated and was the favorite going into the fight. Corrales was prime and never had retired. Is Barrera better than Corrales All time, yes. But context is important it's why for example Duran's win over Davey Moore is considered one of his best even though Moore is an afterthought in the history of the sport.

I think in the end Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win, it's about all the wins and the losses and draws. You also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. The JMM1 draw is particularly bad because he was up 10-6 after 1 round.

The Corrales fight ended up as a pick'em. Corrales wasn't in great shape to fight give that he had a sentencing hanging over his head and was killing himself around that time to make weight. I think Arum was fast to throw that fight together when they realized Chico was in bad legal problems after initially planning to have Chico move up before they met.

Barrera's status (pre-Pacquaio) was far better than Corrales. Chico was on The Ring's p4p list (way too high) but nobody else's, whereas Barrera was in every single top 3 or 4 and clearly a far superior fighter. His "retirement" was a few months and he came back a better fighter than prior hence scoring his best wins, best performances and most consistency after "retirement". It's not like he got fat, went away and got rusty. Also, given what we know about Chico's career, his prime really came a few years later when he fought Casamayor and Castillo. He was a better, more rounded fighter whereas at 130 he'd beaten the shopworn Manfredy, the much smaller Gainer and Garcia who'd been putting some serious leather on him.

I think Corrales' legal situation had more impact than Barrera's "retirement" and he was nowhere near as good to begin with.

you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages.

Roach wasn't hired by Cotto until years later.

[IMDAZED]

It actually enhances Mayweather's legacy.

[The Big Dunn]

The Corrales fight ended up as a pick'em. Corrales wasn't in great shape to fight give that he had a sentencing hanging over his head and was killing himself around that time to make weight. I think Arum was fast to throw that fight together when they realized Chico was in bad legal problems after initially planning to have Chico move up before they met.

Barrera's status (pre-Pacquaio) was far better than Corrales. Chico was on The Ring's p4p list (way too high) but nobody else's, whereas Barrera was in every single top 3 or 4 and clearly a far superior fighter. His "retirement" was a few months and he came back a better fighter than prior hence scoring his best wins, best performances and most consistency after "retirement". It's not like he got fat, went away and got rusty. Also, given what we know about Chico's career, his prime really came a few years later when he fought Casamayor and Castillo. He was a better, more rounded fighter whereas at 130 he'd beaten the shopworn Manfredy, the much smaller Gainer and Garcia who'd been putting some serious leather on him.

I think Corrales' legal situation had more impact than Barrera's "retirement" and he was nowhere near as good to begin with.


Roach wasn't hired by Cotto until years later.

Ok. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't think that changes my point that Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win you also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. In that respect Manny might have the best win, but he has the worst losses and draws that when factored in would have to offset wins to a certain degree.

I made it clear Corrales wasn't as good as Barrera. I also used an example of how a win over a non ATG can be a significant win in a fighter's career given the context when the fight takes place.

That is correct.

[IceTrayDaGang]

ok. I think Floyd was always bigger, stronger, better and faster than both Manny and JMM so the weight was a factor, but not as big a factor as the speed, skill and talent.



Why do you keep isolating just that piece of the post? I made it clear that it's all 3 things in combination, not just the CW.

Sadly, like a ******ed child, you are fixated on that 1 piece of the post.

you have to wonder how cotto was affected by his trainer being in the other corner, the 145 lb cw, and the fact his promoter was working to give his opponent all the advantages.

then why come in over the limit????

i also think manny is always better than cotto so the weight wasnt so much of a factor either, not so much compare to pac's speed, awkwardness.