Manny Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather IF HE FIGHTS Keith Thurman!

[chrisJS]

If not for scorecard error, Pac has on paper 3 razor close wins over JMM. That is greater historically than Floyds one convincing win. Especially cheated scales win.
Pac did everything on a grander scale. His career is bigger. Beat Morales x2, Barrera x2, JMM x2, Bradley x2.

That one judges error was one point, Joe Cortez' error of not taking a point was three points.

The overwhelming majority of fans and media had Marquez winning fight II and even more in fight III. I spoke to plenty of Pacquaio fans at both fights and they felt Marquez won. Even after fight II members on his team the best they could muster was "We are surprised we got the decision".

[The Big Dunn]

Pac was certainly robbed on a grander scale. Yes, Pac has losses, but so did guys greater than Floyd have losses.
Floyd not having losses is due to him being cautious most of the time, and favourable decisions.

Pac was robbed? No, he just lost. It happens. No need to make excuses.

Fighters from other eras, yes. In Floyd's era, no, which is why Floyd is the best in his era. I did think he was robbed against Bradley but Manny robbed JMM 2x so it all balances out.

[hugh grant]

That one judges error was one point, Joe Cortez' error of not taking a point was three points.

The overwhelming majority of fans and media had Marquez winning fight II and even more in fight III. I spoke to plenty of Pacquaio fans at both fights and they felt Marquez won. Even after fight II members on his team the best they could muster was "We are surprised we got the decision".

Im getting a little fed up with talking Pac v JMM. It was close fights, and we know if they fought 10 times theyd be competitive. But Floyds win was a cheated scales win. Bloating him up two divisions also.
Of course that cant be ignored, especially when FLoyid fans boast that Floyd has one win more convincing than Pac.

[hugh grant]

Pac was robbed? No, he just lost. It happens. No need to make excuses.

Fighters from other eras, yes. In Floyd's era, no, which is why Floyd is the best in his era. I did think he was robbed against Bradley but Manny robbed JMM 2x so it all balances out.

No, I don't agree Pac lost to Bradley and horn and I don't think anyone thinks Pac lost to them.
I think Floyd was given gift decisions against Castillo, and Maidana. Nobody was given gift decisions against Floyd so it don't balance out. I doubt anyone gets a gift decision against nelo anytime soon also.

[davef]

didn't realise Thurman was a trinket for ATG status...

Manny is already an ATG and greater than Floyd? id like to see someone pull out an ATG list by someone respectable or professionally in the game where they place Manny above Floyd id bet if you asked 100 professionals about 10 or 20 would rate Pac above floyd max

[The Big Dunn]

Im getting a little fed up with talking Pac v JMM. It was close fights, and we know if they fought 10 times theyd be competitive. But Floyds win was a cheated scales win. Bloating him up two divisions also.
Of course that cant be ignored, especially when FLoyid fans boast that Floyd has one win more convincing than Pac.

I get it now, you have to devalue the Floyd win over JMM because it was convincing according to you while Manny never had a convincing win over JMM in 4 fights but had a clear, convincing, devastating loss.

[hugh grant]

I get it now, you have to devalue the Floyd win over JMM because it was convincing according to you while Manny never had a convincing win over JMM in 4 fights but had a clear, convincing, devastating loss.

historically Pac has 2 wins over JMM that is better than 1 win. Stop overanalysing things like some detective.
If Floyd had 4 fights with JMM, JMM might ko Floyd also. If Floyd fougth nelo twice Floyd may get knocked out, no matter how convincing Floyd won first fight. Barrera might have knocked Pac out in second fight no matter how convincing pac beat Barrera. But Pac gave him a shot.
Nobody unbiased is going to go overboard in trying downgrade Pac for getting koed at fourth attempt.

[The Big Dunn]

historically Pac has 2 wins over JMM that is better than 1 win. Stop overanalysing things like some detective.
If Floyd had 4 fights with JMM, JMM might ko Floyd also. If Floyd fougth nelo twice Floyd may get knocked out, no matter how convincing Floyd won first fight. Barrera might have knocked Pac out in second fight no matter how convincing pac beat Barrera. But Pac gave him a shot.
Nobody unbiased is going to go overboard in trying downgrade Pac for getting koed at fourth attempt.

Using this logic Floyd's 1 win over Manny is historically better than Manny's 0 wins over Floyd, so you would have to have Floyd ahead of Manny, same as you have Manny ahead of JMM.

[hugh grant]

Using this logic Floyd's 1 win over Manny is historically better than Manny's ) wins over Floyd, so you would have to have Floyd ahead of Manny, same you have Manny ahead of JMM.

I always know if I get in discussion with you things can get out of hand and ugly quick.
Now I wont even pretend to understand you here.

[The Big Dunn]

I always know if I get in discussion with you things can get out of hand and ugly quick.
Now I wont even pretend to understand you here.

My bad I see the colon and not the 0.

You posted that 2 wins is better than 1. Ok I posted 1 win is better than 0. Using your logic, I think Floyd would be ahead of Manny based on the clear win over him.