Manny Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather IF HE FIGHTS Keith Thurman!

[Robi13]

Not even close. Manny never would of fought Nelo.

Right, and floyd never fought margarito... Look razor I know you are a huge Floyd fan. Cool, Floyd was great but Manny arguably has accomplished something that we will never see again ever.... Champ in 8 weight divisions and I think he skipped two!

[hugh grant]

So he did fight someone that beat Manny.

Cheated on the scales isn't a real thing, just something butthurt NSB posters made to avoid giving credit to Floyd. Pathetic.

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5 common opponents Pac beat 4 more dominantly. The one opponent Pac didn't beat more dominant!y he beat more times than floyd did. But Floyd cheated scales and blew him up 2 divisions.
A case can't be made for Floyd being greater than pac. These polls where Floyd is rated higher they must be half asleep when voting

[The Big Dunn]

5 common opponents Pac beat 4 more dominantly. The one opponent Pac didn't beat more dominant!y he beat more times than floyd did. But Floyd cheated scales and blew him up 2 divisions.
A case can't be made for Floyd being greater than pac. These polls where Floyd is rated higher they must be half asleep when voting

He also beat all of them after Floyd did, except for Cotto, who he beat at a 145 CW while Floyd beat him at a full 154 lbs. Manny also choked against JMM up 10-6 after 1 round only to get a draw, got 2 controversial wins, and then lost by KO. The cherry on top being they fought each other and Floyd won by a wide, clear margin.

As I posted to DuckAdonis, Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny in any credible rankings of ATG fighters. Floyd is just better than Manny. I don't see why being 2nd to Floyd in this era bothers Manny fans so much.

[Thraxox]

Floyd lacks resume. He never have a prime HoF in his resume. It's always past prime opponents or b level fighters. There is quantity in his resume but not much quality yet Floyd fans seem to think that he has a Roberto Duran or a Robinson in the prime of their careers on his resume when you begin to talk about resume.

It just lacks upper echelon names in their primes compared to Pacquiao who fought and beat 3 prime HoF. That is why to me Floyd is 2nd to Manny despite beating him and on top of that Manny achieved more than Floyd in terms of weight classes jumped.

[hugh grant]

He also beat all of them after Floyd did, except for Cotto, who he beat at a 145 CW while Floyd beat him at a full 154 lbs. Manny also choked against JMM up 10-6 after 1 round only to get a draw, got 2 controversial wins, and then lost by KO. The cherry on top being they fought each other and Floyd won by a wide, clear margin.

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Pac beat jmm first but That neednt be mentioned. He has more wins over jmm which is better than one cheated scakes, bloated up 2 divisions, convincing win.
Pac beat Hatton at bestbweight, and stepped up 2 divisions for dlh. The fact Floyd beat them before Pac is irrelevant other than they should have improved after losing to Floyd so Pac got better versions.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd lacks resume. He never have a prime HoF in his resume. It's always past prime opponents or b level fighters. There is quantity in his resume but not much quality yet Floyd fans seem to think that he has a Roberto Duran or a Robinson in the prime of their careers on his resume when you begin to talk about resume.

It just lacks upper echelon names in their primes compared to Pacquiao who fought and beat 3 prime HoF. That is why to me Floyd is 2nd to Manny despite beating him and on top of that Manny achieved more than Floyd in terms of weight classes jumped.

Fair points but were Barrera and Morales really prime? Barrera had retired and then come back. Morales was moving back down in weight after coming off a brutal beating fro Raheem from which he was never the same.

Could it be that you are going with "name" value over where they actually were in their careers?

[The Big Dunn]

Pac beat jmm first but That neednt be mentioned. He has more wins over jmm which is better than one cheated scakes, bloated up 2 divisions, convincing win.
Pac beat Hatton at bestbweight, and stepped up 2 divisions for dlh. The fact Floyd beat them before Pac is irrelevant other than they should have improved after losing to Floyd so Pac got better versions.

You are entitled to your opinion. Whatever you post though has no validity or credibility because yout posted Floyd had to beat Shane, cotto, ODH, Hatton and Manny to be an ATG and best of his era. When he beat all of them, you deleted the post to try and avoid having to admit Floyd was the best of his era.

Add to that, Floyd is always ranked ahead of Manny in all credible rankings of fighters.

Add to that, he beat him head to head, which looks better with every win Manny gets since that fight.

[Thraxox]

Fair points but were Barrera and Morales really prime? Barrera had retired and then come back. Morales was moving back down in weight after coming off a brutal beating fro Raheem from which he was never the same.

Could it be that you are going with "name" value over where they actually were in their careers?

I was not referring to Morales as the third man of the HoF, I was referring to Bradley whom IMO would be a HoF. Barrera retired at 22, at 97 for surgery then comes back then beats Hamed, Tapia, Kelly, Morales before getting whooped by Manny at the age of 28 at 03. That's hardly "passed prime".

That Barrera win is better than any win Floyd has on his resume. Because 1. Barrera was in his prime 2. Barrera was in his best weight class 3. Barrera was coming off with some of his greatest wins, so momentum was on his side, 4. Barrera was a genuine boxing ATG.

And I see no win of Floyd that trumps that.

[CHOWWOKKA]

You just contradicted yourself....LOL

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How so

[The Big Dunn]

I was not referring to Morales as the third man of the HoF, I was referring to Bradley whom IMO would be a HoF. Barrera retired at 22, at 97 for surgery then comes back then beats Hamed, Tapia, Kelly, Morales before getting whooped by Manny at the age of 28 at 03. That's hardly "passed prime".

That Barrera win is better than any win Floyd has on his resume. Because 1. Barrera was in his prime 2. Barrera was in his best weight class 3. Barrera was coming off with some of his greatest wins, so momentum was on his side, 4. Barrera was a genuine boxing ATG.

And I see no win of Floyd that trumps that.

Ok if you meant Bradley, then that means you should include Canelo for Floyd because he surely will be a HOF as well and was in his prime. I guess Hatton may also fit that description for both guys.

I think it compares with Corrales. Corrales was undefeated and was the favorite going into the fight. Corrales was prime and never had retired. Is Barrera better than Corrales All time, yes. But context is important it's why for example Duran's win over Davey Moore is considered one of his best even though Moore is an afterthought in the history of the sport.

I think in the end Floyd consistently ranks ahead of Manny because its not just about the best win, it's about all the wins and the losses and draws. You also have to factor in the bad losses and the draws. The JMM1 draw is particularly bad because he was up 10-6 after 1 round.