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  • Noelanthony
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    #111
    Originally posted by champion4ever
    Good answer Anthony! Now don't you think that Luis Ortiz can replicate those results and do it in a more impressive fashion than Oleksandr Usyk did against the quality of opposition who've just named?

    Ortiz would knock everyone of those opponents Usyk challenged in the WBSS out.
    Not necessarily. If they added weight on like Usyk will who knows. Let’s not forget Ortiz went 12 rounds with Kauffman, he won on points against Malik Scott beat Dave Allen in 7 rounds that honestly jokes aside I would fancy my chances against if it was a 3 round war.

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    • Noelanthony
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      #112
      Originally posted by kafkod
      There's a reason why Ortiz isn't at cruiserweight ... you can see it hanging over his waistband in this photo.

      The other fighter, Kauffman was smarter and tucked his fat inside his pants

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        #113
        Originally posted by Noelanthony
        Not necessarily. If they added weight on like Usyk will who knows. Let’s not forget Ortiz went 12 rounds with Kauffman, he won on points against Malik Scott beat Dave Allen in 7 rounds that honestly jokes aside I would fancy my chances against if it was a 3 round war.
        If none of them can punch or bring their power up with them, then they don't stand a chance of defeating Ortiz regardless of much weight they gain and that's including Usyk himself.

        If you lack punching power and can't hurt King Kong you are not going to beat him. The only reason Wilder defeated him because he can punch. Every opponent that ever attempted to out box or disengage with Ortiz have not won. For a big man he closes the distance well. He has good footwork.

        As far as Kauffman is concerned; He didn't come to win. He just came to collect a paycheck and last the distance.

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          #114
          Originally posted by champion4ever
          If none of them can punch or bring their power up with them, then they don't stand a chance of defeating Ortiz regardless of much weight they gain and that's including Usyk himself.

          If you lack punching power and can't hurt King Kong you are not going to beat him. The only reason Wilder defeated him because he can punch. Every opponent that ever attempted to out box or disengage with Ortiz have not won. For a big man he closes the distance well. He has good footwork.

          As far as Kauffman is concerned; He didn't come to win. He just came to collect a paycheck and last the distance.
          It’s not so much Kauffman not being ambitious but Ortiz was unable to catch him enough even though he had no resistance. Usyk will be faster , sharper, better defensively and better offensively . He can touch him and circle him the entire fight. Malik Scott is witness to that.

          Who has Ortiz fought that Usyk couldn’t beat?. Ortiz is too slow to give him any real ratings. He has good counter punching skills but his reactions have slowed considerably

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            #115
            That's a big step for your 1st HW fight.

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              #116
              I feel Ortiz would travel anywhere for a real fight. If Usyk really wants that action, I am betting it is one phone call away.

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                #117
                Originally posted by champion4ever
                Good answer Anthony! Now don't you think that Luis Ortiz can replicate those results and do it in a more impressive fashion than Oleksandr Usyk did against the quality of opposition who've just named?

                Ortiz would knock everyone of those opponents Usyk challenged in the WBSS out.
                I have always thought Gassiev would make a better HW than CW. I feel his build would take to HW very well and his power would be better. He just is a little slow to be a CW, in my opinion, and he ran into historic competition. Usyk is just the best CW since Holyfield/Qawi roomed that division.

                That Ortiz would wipe them out... is it at a catch weigh? That would make a difference.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Noelanthony
                  It’s not so much Kauffman not being ambitious but Ortiz was unable to catch him enough even though he had no resistance. Usyk will be faster , sharper, better defensively and better offensively . He can touch him and circle him the entire fight. Malik Scott is witness to that.

                  Who has Ortiz fought that Usyk couldn’t beat?. Ortiz is too slow to give him any real ratings. He has good counter punching skills but his reactions have slowed considerably
                  I think you are underestimating Ortiz' boxing ability. Dude is a scientific, fundamentally sound boxer with a solid amateur pedigree. While, it's true he may be slow but yet he is still dangerous. That's why no one wants to fight this man.

                  As far as Kauffman goes, I could have done that myself. I could run out the clock and avoid not getting hit for twelve rounds if I am in good shape. It takes two to tangle and dude was running around the ring like a deer in headlights. He didn't want no smoke from Ortiz.

                  Lastly, as far who has Ortiz fought that Usyk couldn't beat. I'll throw you an easy one; Deontay Wilder. They are practically the same size and he will stop him even faster than King Kong would.

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                  • Noelanthony
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by champion4ever
                    I think you are underestimating Ortiz' boxing ability. Dude is a scientific, fundamentally sound boxer with a solid amateur pedigree. While, it's true he may be slow but yet he is still dangerous. That's why no one wants to fight this man.

                    As far as Kauffman goes, I could have done that myself. I could run out the clock and avoid not getting hit for twelve rounds if I am in good shape. It takes two to tangle and dude was running around the ring like a deer in headlights. He didn't want no smoke from Ortiz.

                    Lastly, as far who has Ortiz fought that Usyk couldn't beat. I'll throw you an easy one; Deontay Wilder. They are practically the same size and he will stop him even faster than King Kong would.
                    I knew that was coming. Lol. I do not deny he is not fundamentally sound but he was outfoxed by Wilder who isn’t the brightest boxer. In fact let me give him credit he actually ran out of gas to be fair.

                    Yes Kauffman did not want to engage similar to Malik Scott but do you mean to tell me that Usyk couldn’t adopt those same tactics but implement it better and hit Ortiz and not get hit? Ortiz being slow is a hindrance against a fighter who is very energetic and moves with nice angles.

                    I also think Usyk boxes Wilders ears off unless he is hit with the big right hand. That is a very winnable fight for Usyk and I’m not just saying that

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                    • P4Pdunny
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                      #120
                      both real good tests for him

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