Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis Backs Split, Not Flat Fee, For Joshua-Wilder Fight

[OldTerry]

I often wonder just how quick Lennox would have had Joshua out of there .Would it be a one round blow out or would Joshua have taken a beating in to the mid rounds ....any thoughts?

No crazy reply's please.

Lewis would have KO's Joshua by round nine. After the first knockdown, the beating Joshua was taking would have intensified. Probably be a TKO due to referee stoppage.

[OldTerry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZE-vC8icA

listen, anyone still saying it has to be a split is an idiot and is just being blinded by fanboyism. Wilder was offered a split way back in october. it's really simple.
wilder has said he doesn't want to fight Joshua. end of story.

No one believes you. You are simply speaking out of frustration.

[Raggamuffin]

Seems like an overly negative assessment of the situation.

And even if you were right, and the titles were "purchased," Joshua still deserves a return on his investment. A world heavyweight title belt is extremely valuable. Unless Wilder becomes a major PPV star in the US, there's just no way for him to get more than a 40% split as long as Joshua has 3 belts and he has 1. And even 60/40 may be more generous than Hearn can stomach.

Joshua and Wilder aren't fighting next alt. Joshua is scared. What you posted is a " I love Joshua and the fight will be in the UK" thought. When they fight let me know. This repetitive thought doesn't fly with true boxing fans alt. You Joshua fans are all taught to think this way.

[Raggamuffin]

So are you saying that he shouldn't settle for less than 50 percent? I'd say he deserves at least 45 percent but I can live with 40 percent. One thing I can say is that Wilder's bargaining power is a lot stronger than it was a year ago. I believe that 40 percent is a good starting point because after all he could get even more than that.

This is a good post.

[Raggamuffin]

Tell us why he would be a fool? Financially or otherwise? Where is there room to stand on principle and beat his chest trying to force a 50-50 fight in the US. Yes he fought Ortiz and Fury and raised his profile. However it takes 2 to tango and Wilder is no one man show. Oh and FYI, Lennox thinks 60-40 gets it done. Only a couple of uninformed knuckle draggers are still talking flat fee.

If this site is any indication, Joshua is worshipped in the UK. The revenue for a fight their would be through the roof. 40% of that is a haul. Then it only makes the rematch over in the US even bigger.

He'd be a fool because of how he's not only raised his profile, but because he's fought two of the top 4 heavies...and had a successful US ppv. His seats for the Fury fight were $1000 and up. Ringside seats would go through the roof in the UK. If they do that in the UK why would he settle for 60-40?

Whenever they negotiate...and l mean true negotiations...not asking where the money will come from and all this other silly stuff they put Wilder through, and Wilder accepts...Ill be satisfied with that.

I'm not satisfied with what fans think that Wilder should accept or what is fair. And i repeat...Joshua is the draw in the uk, but he's not the champ. People are still talking flat fees and low percentages here but the math doesn't add up.

[Raggamuffin]

he is not a coward, they are real smart

they are doing exactly they should be doing, which is making the most money possible

Joshua will get in there with Wilder, no question..... when the time is right for them

our problem is, the dude sells out Wembley

THAT is the issue man, that is the reason

by avoiding that fight now..... they gain useful experience for their young fighter..... they make BIG money no matter who they put in there with him..... and Wilder could possibly get outboxed by Fury or someone else in the meantime..... setting up a more favourable matchup against Wilders conqueror

I am sure Joshua will fight Wilder if he keeps winning, they just don't need to take that risk at this point..... imho, they could probably defer that fight for another 12-18 months yet..... and Wilder only really made himself relevant earlier this month

I can see whats up

I don't even really mind what they are doing, if they make that fight eventually..... but the Joshua fans who have decided to blame Wilder are just idiots..... I like Joshua, and he is a beast..... and I understand what they are doing..... but I climb into his excuse-making idiot fans when they decide to turn a blind eye to reality and throw other fighters under a bus

we had enough of that from pac-tards and golov-idiots

enough

They could defer that fight for another 12-18 months!!!??? Lmao... Just let me know when they start negotiations. Until then we're just beating a dead horse.

[Raggamuffin]

bro, a funny thing.....

when I said this.....





I thought you would know..... I am a kiwi, my boy is Parker lmao

ok, I will keep it real, as always.....

so, Parker was worth 32.5% to Anthony Joshua..... ???

really..... ???..... how ???

there are only 4 million people here, and we do not like boxing..... so that may have posed a slight problem for Fast Eddie..... many people would likely walk past Joe in the street and not know who he is..... if he seemed familiar, they would probably think he was a rugby player

he got 32.5% of SHlTLOADSSSSSSS!!!!!

they OVER-paid Joe..... because they REALLY wanted to fight Joe

Higgins did a great job of managing that deal, he stayed tight...... he knew what he had, and knew his position..... Higgins comes across a bit square, but he did a great job..... he knew they needed that fight

that is the worst Hearn deal by my recall, usually Fast Eddie makes out like a bandit

so, that 32.5% may be a HIGH benchmark to judge where the negotiation for Wilders split should start..... especially with Joshua selling out Wembley and all

just keeping it real about my boy, but also keeping it real about Wilder..... who is a largely-unknown heavyweight in his own country

Wilder should take 35%, especially considering the fact that he was willing to fight Joshua for $15M..... but I think they could probably get 37.5 - 40% now following the Fury fight, which helped raise Wilders profile in the UK big time..... but it all depends on when Joshua and Eddie are ready to make the fight?

they have not even come close to making a reasonable effort to genuinely secure that fight at this point

also, that fight is 50/50..... or, should I say..... Wilder is AT LEAST 50/50 in that fight imho..... he has a great chance of landing betsy sometime in that fight..... he has a great chance of landing either a fight-winning punch or a fight-changing punch in that matchup

I just keep it real, no dog in that fight..... but I keep it real with Parker as well

If Parker got 32%, how did he negotiate that? He didn't do anything close to what Wilder has done at the time and Wilder only deserves 35-37%!!!??? Joshua wanted Martin's title and he paid for it, and he paid Parker for his title regardless of how people feel about me saying this. If he wants Wilder's title, he will have to pay extra. Finkel and Haymon know this.

[Ake-Dawg]

Different circumstances. At the time AJ only had 2 of the 4 belts, now he has 3 of the 4 belts so why should his split go down? That's ****** logic, 1 guy does all the hard work picking up the belts while the other spent 9 years cherry picking. 70-30 is very fair, no more than 65-35 though.

Exactly what hard work was exerted to buy the IBF and WBO belt? Martin and Parker...come on.

Also, as a fan why do you care if Wilder gets more than 35%?

[Raggamuffin]

He's not undisputed because Wilder has the WBC portion of the Heavyweight title. There won't be an undisputed champion until Joshua challenge Wilder for the WBC and likewise Wilder for Joshua's WBA, IBF and WBO titles. Right now they are both just belt/titleholders until they fight one another.

Well said...

[Ake-Dawg]

He'd be a fool because of how he's not only raised his profile, but because he's fought two of the top 4 heavies...and had a successful US ppv. His seats for the Fury fight were $1000 and up. Ringside seats would go through the roof in the UK. If they do that in the UK why would he settle for 60-40?

Whenever they negotiate...and l mean true negotiations...not asking where the money will come from and all this other silly stuff they put Wilder through, and Wilder accepts...Ill be satisfied with that.

I'm not satisfied with what fans think that Wilder should accept or what is fair. And i repeat...Joshua is the draw in the uk, but he's not the champ. People are still talking flat fees and low percentages here but the math doesn't add up.

No one disputes that. However you're not translating that into why it means 40% of $100M+ in purse is foolish. Who you beat has little to do with revenue drawing power. Joshua is evidence of that.

Joshua is a champ just like Wilder. Calling him "the" champ is just conjecture and personal opinion. If Joshua went to the US first, there is a strong argument that the split is 50-50 as a lot of the revenue will be US revenue. But he isn't going to do that! So it's either no fight or a UK fight unfortunately.