Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis Backs Split, Not Flat Fee, For Joshua-Wilder Fight

[champion4ever]

The value Parker brought was the leverage that it's currently being wielded over Wilder right now. It made Joshua the gateway to undisputed and gave his fans another trinket to brag about.

At this moment what does Team Wilder leverage to get above 40%? Fury fight? Ok after that, then what?

Being undisputed

[Fabes88]

What was that split? You seem to be of the belief that what a fighter brings to the table can only be expressed in purse size. That presumes that two fighters are in the same market and pull from the same pool of fans. This is not the case. Further, Wilder brings the huge threat of a loss, the potential to see a brutal KO, the WBC belt, potential national bragging rights, a US fan base that will travel, and a small UK fan base. Those are ingredients when mixed together with what Joshua brings to the table make a mega fight. The ppv cost will be higher, the seat costs will be higher. The revenue will be far and away greater than the usual big money Joshua fights make.

They don’t operate in the same markets you’re right. Wilder operates in a much larger one yet aj still makes a lot more than he does. You do make some fair points but honestly I don’t know how many times I have to say I’m not against a percentage split. However you can’t convince me that wilder has a travelling fan base. He doesn’t sell out at home let alone have enough people who would travel to see him to the extent it would have a significant impact on the total revenue.

In regards to what the split was I don’t know for certain. But given what has been quoted I imagine it’s in the region of 35%

My main points are the original flat fee offer was not a terrible offer. If I’m wilder I wouldn’t have accepted it but it would have been an offer that would’ve tempted me.

Secondly I don’t know why this is even being discussed because whatever offer was made it was accepted. The issue was there was no date or location on the contract or guarantee it would be next.

Finally, we know there was a percentage offer very recently so why a flat fee offer from probably six months ago is still being discussed is beyond me. If team wilder can move past previous offers why can’t his fans? The reason the fight isn’t happening next is because wilder wants to rematch fury and that’s something I can completely understand.

[Ake-Dawg]

Being undisputed

I don't think that Joshua and his team nor his fan base value him being undisputed that much. Definitely less than Wilder and the American fan base.

[champion4ever]

I don't think that Joshua and his team nor his fan base value him being undisputed that much. Definitely less than Wilder and the American fan base.

He's not undisputed because Wilder has the WBC portion of the Heavyweight title. There won't be an undisputed champion until Joshua challenge Wilder for the WBC and likewise Wilder for Joshua's WBA, IBF and WBO titles. Right now they are both just belt/titleholders until they fight one another.

[SHAW ARUM DUVA]

Joshua doesn't deserve ****. He purchased his titles through cowardice and a promoter who has more interest in making money than legacy.

Seems like an overly negative assessment of the situation.

And even if you were right, and the titles were "purchased," Joshua still deserves a return on his investment. A world heavyweight title belt is extremely valuable. Unless Wilder becomes a major PPV star in the US, there's just no way for him to get more than a 40% split as long as Joshua has 3 belts and he has 1. And even 60/40 may be more generous than Hearn can stomach.

[Ake-Dawg]

He's not undisputed because Wilder has the WBC portion of the Heavyweight title. There won't be an undisputed champion until Joshua challenge Wilder for the WBC and likewise Wilder for Joshua's WBA, IBF and WBO titles. Right now they are both just belt/titleholders until they fight one another.

I don't think they care if he becomes undisputed. They are comfortable saying Wilder won't fight and celebrating "their" champion that they feel is "the" champion.

[gully7]

Wrong.

Wilder just fought Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury back to back. And headlined a US PPV show that got good numbers.

So whatever split Joseph Parker got...Wilder merits a much higher one.

Different circumstances. At the time AJ only had 2 of the 4 belts, now he has 3 of the 4 belts so why should his split go down? That's ****** logic, 1 guy does all the hard work picking up the belts while the other spent 9 years cherry picking. 70-30 is very fair, no more than 65-35 though.

[gully7]

Being undisputed

This is why Wilder should be biting their hand off right now instead of playing hard to get. He get's the chance to be undisputed world champion despite AJ picking up all the belts.

When Mayweather beat Pac and had all the WW belts bar the IBF do you think Brook would've been worth 40% in an undisputed fight?

[OldTerry]

Wilder made 4 million against Fury. So 4 million is acceptable to face Fury but 27-30 million to face Joshua is ludacris... What planet is this man living on?

Seriously, Wilder/Fury did 350K PPVs which means neither one of them are PPV draws. Wilder doesn’t want the fight or he doesn’t think he can win. It’s that simple. Pride and Entitlement are motherfu%ers.

Wilder made substantially more then $4 million dollars. US PPV is not the total revenue to be considered . Other revenue streams include the live gate and foreign PPV as well. I don't believe Wilder made $15 million, probably more like $9 million. Of course what he made fighting Fury has nothing to do with what he should make fighting Joshua.

[OldTerry]

Wilder don't deserve ****. He has talked **** and not fought anybody for years. And they are supposed to reward him for that? Hell no. He brings nothing but a belt that he devalued by fighting bums for years while they protected him.

Wilder brings more than a belt to the fight, he brings high risk to Joshua. I would pick Joshua in this fight but it is a dangerous fight for him and that is why Eddie wants to avoid it.