Educating Boxingscene Posters

[billeau2]

So gene tunney is still champ then.

If you were the "Duke of shinola" and a minister who held that distinction and was now the Duke of Shengala" how would you handle that situation? It so happens with this type of title, vis a vis the claim to this title, that under some circumstances, you can have two title holders in the same room and, unlike time travel for example (under certain theories at least) you will not create an event! so to speak. Tunney will always be a Lineal as well as the guy before and after him, you can call him "former" if you like, but no need to do so!

The former, present distinction is actually more formal a distinction than necessary. Two guys are in a room, one is dead the other is alive and fighting tomorrow... First off, one guy can make a claim, the other cannot. So Tunney is resolved, but in walks 45 year old, pudgy Lewis lets say! Well you ask Lewis, are you fighting? lets say he says he is fighting and that he is claiming the lineal again...Well you have two guys claiming the lineal and?

People act as though this somehow destroys the claim? Would you say the same if your rich uncle left a home and several family members claimed the home? would that destroy the title to the home? would the administrator say "fvk it, the title to this home is destroyed because of claims to it." Hardly. You establish the next owner and 'quiet title.' What stops the process of two claimants, establishing the present holder by fighting the best guy?

[CHOWWOKKA]

I'm going to bump these threads after DW beats fury and you all have to swallow your pride and say Deontay Wilder is the lineal heavyweight champion. But of course that's why you'll conveniently say...nut uh fury wasn't lineal because blah blah

[R-Hand Southpaw]

It's sad. I get being a fan of someone, but when it makes you delusional to the entire sport one must take a step back.

98% of Boxingscene. Everyone thinks they're an expert and none or them have actually partaken in the sport.

It's like being obese and living in your moms basement bragging online about how many 10s you **** daily.

But it's the internet. It gives these people power they would have never had regardless especially because they can remain anonymous

[Marchegiano]

I'm not talking about recreational drugs

I wasn't either.

How in depth do you want this? I'll save you some reading and drop my conclusion before I support it that way you can read the support if you like or just stop at the conclusion.

Drink was to ye olde man what medicines are today.

Puts hair on your chest isn't just a saying it was a belief. Men not only believed alcohol made them stronger more masculine men but also it could potentially cure just about any illness or injury under the sun.

Performance enhancers to this day are not tested to verify they actually enhance performances. Drugs are banned based on popularity amongst athletes and their belief that those drugs aid them in some way. This is true for all the major internal drug testing agencies and can be read on their own websites and charters.

So my answer was actually quite a bit more loaded than you might have perceived but I didn't honestly mean to speak to things that are not well known. I'd've went with opium had I known old outlooks on whiskey and such are not well known today.

Either way the point was actually the lineal crown comes from a time when having an unfair advantage such as being on a PED would have been thought of as wise not cheating.

I'm not saying they're right or wrong just that those fellas certainly did not think of the inclusion of ingestants as cheating in any regard.

[chrisJS]

i like crawford alot...i really do...you dont see me anywhere bashing him....and to a certain degree i agree with you...im not really aruging against what youre saying

im talking more about the guys bashing al and the pbc for their WW fights vs what crawford is/has been doing at WW and what the landscape looks like for him there in the near future

al has already made some good WW fights....and he still has a few he can make in the near future once thurman gets back into the swing of things...he still has thurman, porter, mikey/spence.....and hes already made the list of fights at WW i already listed

some of these pbc/al haters act like he needs to pit danny, porter, thurman, spence and mikey against each other every time out or else hes making crap/bum fights...as if bob would do that if he had als WW roster...no promoter would.....

i dont have a problem with crawford...ill just say his WW near future looks bleak....but ive always maintained that fights with materialize for "stars" of the sport...which crawford certainly is....

theres just no need to bash what haymon has been doing and is doing with his WW fighters...hes put on some good fights already and has plenty he can do going forward......i think youre missing my point and the reality of the situation....im not here to bash crawford...i like him

I think things can change very quickly too. There's a lot of money invested in Crawford and ESPN is pushing him so I think matches can happen even without having to strike a deal with the PBC.

I think Jose Ramirez will likely fight Maurice Hooker soon so if he wins that he's a huge 140 pounder that's a justifiable fight and a potential ticket seller in Vegas or Cali. Ramirez (if he wins) would have excellent credentials. Would be easy to make. Then there's the winner of the 140 WBSS which is likely to be Regis Prograis or Josh Taylor both will be at 140 soon enough (Taylor is huge there) I think if they can't get into the PBC guys then Crawford and TR will welcome that with open arms. Carlos Adames if he keeps looking good could be a good option in 18 months or so if he can get a title and Crawford wants a fight outside of 147.

Those aren't Crawford-Spence but if Crawford fights (for example) Ramirez, Taylor, Adames in the next two years at the rate they are improving and looking so good I wouldn't be hugely disappointed. If that happens and Crawford is still the man and Spence has unified Thurman's and Porter's titles then I think the fight will be so big that the fight will happen.

[Real King Kong]

Tunney is dead. You can't make a claim when you are dead.

Lennox has made no claim. Lennox's old fat ass can come out of retirement and make a claim if he likes.

Claim is not a difficult concept. Why do y'all act like you struggle to understand it?

Hey man, op didn't mention anything about death stripping a man of the title.

[Robbie Barrett]

Hey man, op didn't mention anything about death stripping a man of the title.

Of course not. They are making their own rules up as they go along.

[Jsmooth9876]

Cool story, makes me wanna spend that $75 to watch them fight Saturday for that imaginary title.

[Curt Henning]

I think things can change very quickly too. There's a lot of money invested in Crawford and ESPN is pushing him so I think matches can happen even without having to strike a deal with the PBC.

I think Jose Ramirez will likely fight Maurice Hooker soon so if he wins that he's a huge 140 pounder that's a justifiable fight and a potential ticket seller in Vegas or Cali. Ramirez (if he wins) would have excellent credentials. Would be easy to make. Then there's the winner of the 140 WBSS which is likely to be Regis Prograis or Josh Taylor both will be at 140 soon enough (Taylor is huge there) I think if they can't get into the PBC guys then Crawford and TR will welcome that with open arms. Carlos Adames if he keeps looking good could be a good option in 18 months or so if he can get a title and Crawford wants a fight outside of 147.

Those aren't Crawford-Spence but if Crawford fights (for example) Ramirez, Taylor, Adames in the next two years at the rate they are improving and looking so good I wouldn't be hugely disappointed. If that happens and Crawford is still the man and Spence has unified Thurman's and Porter's titles then I think the fight will be so big that the fight will happen.

i wouldnt disagree with that

fights will materialize for "stars"...which crawford is

i think spence has a better road by virtue of his affiliation...but whatever....i dont favor either guy...i like them both...and would lovvvveee to see them fight......crawford can get by and fight some decent guys

[Cobra Curry]

Interesting points Marchegiano and billeau2.