Educating Boxingscene Posters

[Idunnoshet]

I largely agree with this. The only problem I have is that Fury should have been under a drugs ban at the time he fought Klitschko.
What's your take on it?

Stop it Troll .

[rickJen]

Desperate wilder fans

Two cowards ducking Joshua will never be the man

"I'll fight Joshua on my own time," said Fury.
Translation: Wilder is the easier fight at this point.

[IronDanHamza]

Lineal title at 147 is problem since , Horn did beat Pacquiao but Pacquioa got to keep the lineal title

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/pacquiao.htm

Lineal at 147 is a problem because common sense says Pacquaio was never Lineal at 147 at all.

Lineal is all nonsense really.

[Cobra Curry]

Stop it Troll .

Not trolling, it's a genuine question

[billeau2]

I largely agree with this. The only problem I have is that Fury should have been under a drugs ban at the time he fought Klitschko.
What's your take on it?

It would be like going to housing court and telling the judge. "The landlord gave me the 30 day notice your honor, and I did not leave because I happen to know he is a wife beating, drug addicted pedofile."

What do you think the judge would tell you?

[billeau2]

So you're just making your own rules as you go along.

Im giving you hypothetical means to resolve issued related to when someone comes back and there is another lineal holder.

Unfortunately you are conditioned to believe that for a title to be legitimate, there cannot be a conflict that has to be resolved. I gave you scenarios and never made a rule. In societies where lineage is important you actually see these situations occur, most notably in Japanese ancient martial arts. Sometimes a lineage splits, sometimes a lineage dies out, it depends.

[billeau2]

Luckily what you see and your opinion won't be what the sites that keeps records of this will. Don't want bias polluting boxing history.

There are many fine boxing historians, including Marchegiano here, who keep detailed and unbiased records...You see Robby what you are ignorant about is that the concept of the lineal, is ancient and it is in fact something the fans can have with no biase because the concept is King of the Hill: The guy who gets up there and topples the king becomes the new king. No alphabet soup, no BS needed.

At times nobody needs to claim it. When Ali was the champ...When Dempsey was the champ...who needed to take claim to the title? The title is often cited when there needs to be a recognized champ and not a bunch of contenders...think about it.

You should take this L gracefully and come back another day...you getting a bit punchy. Its really not a hard concept to grasp, YOU may feel like the title is BS like some do here...fine.

[Cobra Curry]

It would be like going to housing court and telling the judge. "The landlord gave me the 30 day notice your honor, and I did not leave because I happen to know he is a wife beating, drug addicted pedofile."

What do you think the judge would tell you?

I'd be thrown out of course, but with respect, if you were found in court to have bought your home through the proceeds of ******* traffiking would you be allowed to keep it?
Tyson Fury is my favourite current heavyweight but the fact is he tested positive for PEDS in the fight leading up to Klitschko and claimed his meat was contaminated. His appeal became a legal case which the testing body could not afford.
In the final settlement, he ACCEPTED the original sanction and a backdated ban which would have covered the Kiltschko fight.
As I said, Fury is my favourite of today's heavyweights and I am all for "the man who beat the man", but for me it would be hypocrisy to ignore the PED issue just because I like him.

[Citizen Koba]

The sites will figure it out.

They usually do, after the fact sometimes.

TBRB said he gave up the lineal when he vacated the title - I'm not 100% sure I agree in this case, but I do regard them as the best and most consistent rankers and hopefully they will become the accepted standard at some point, though - as always in this sport - there will never be 100% agreement.

https://twitter.com/tbrboard/status/788583384876474368

Regardless - it'd be something of an empty accolade given that we've no idea whether Fury is actually a credible fighter anymore. I'm a fan of Wilder, despite his glaring flaws - more so than Joshua, in fact, but I'm really not thinking that calling him Lineal champion for beating Fury would sit comfortably with me.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Matchroom FC are so shook over this fight...