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How is Mike Tyson not considered top 5 Heavyweight of all time?
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Originally posted by Vegemil View PostI missed you my friend. Blew many loads in your honor waiting for your return.
Wacking off in Japanese is called senzuri
Sen -=1000
Zuri =-slides..
I don’t know who actually counted jack strokes?
Jhonny likes his own balls... if I where flexible enough I’d prolly do the same....
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Mike is another polarizing figure. These lists that people make are a disservice to understanding a fighter at times, other times they make a lot of sense.
Lets try to look at the few facts that present regarding Mike. First off, we didn't see a prime Tyson, much as was the case with Ali. But Tyson dominated for a while, no less than a guy like Jones dominated. He beat a lot of stock 90' late 80's guys who were skilled fighters. No he never got to a fellow ATG when he was at his best.
We see his work on tape and he had excellent technical skills. I respectfully disagree that his reach was an issue New England... he fought in a style that overcame that problem. But there is always a flip and the flip here is that this style is not for longevity.
given those knowables how does he rate? Well if you value level of dominance, a la Jones Tyson gets a great mark for that. If you value technical skills one can see and follow...ditto. Tyson studied and used a lot of pivots and angles...like Dempsey at his best you couldn't catch him coming in. His power was excellent, a lot of guys have better Ko percentages against better opposition though. Longevity is bad, and like Mayweather he has the curse of never fighting a fellow ATG at prime. And his level of competition is not awful but it hurts him that he lost later to guys because he was past it.
If someone wanted to pick a heavyweight that on their best day could beat the rest...Tyson would be on that short list. So really it all depends what you consider important to see where Tyson is on any list.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View PostI've never eve r implied Bruno was near lennox in grearness.
I'm just talking common opponents tyso n did better than lennox. Just like Pac did better than Floyd in common opponents as well as other reasons, that's why Pac imo is greater than floyd.
Tyrell Biggs said tyso n was the best he fought also..I've also not implied Tyson greater than lennox
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Mike is nowhere in the realm of top 5 all time at Heavyweight. He's the #1 Heavyweight hype job that got exposed by what many consider a bum. Just look at his resume. ******s go as far as saying he wasn't prime just because a bum beat him. In reality he just wasn't as good as they thought.
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Due to his short prime my answer would be no. He is not an all-time great. He was career done at the tender age of 23. After that knockout loss to James Buster Douglass the Mike Tyson that we once knew him was over. He would never be the same again.
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