Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's Pound For Pound Update - October 1

[BoxingIsGreat]

Skills? And Loma is not on your list?

Loma is definitely on my top 10. I weighed him and his skills in my mind against the guys on my list. I don't know if he can beat any of my top 5.

I used to like Loma a lot until his fanboys ruined that with proclamations of utter greatness. That said, I still like Loma, but we can't just ignore Salido and his epic struggle against a little above average Linares. Please don't tell me Linares is great!

I wouldn't argue against Usyk being #1, however.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Yea, because spences skills and resume are superior to lomachenko..

Not at all. Loma is more skilled in pure boxing, but Spence would be a tough go for Loma at any point and in any weight.

How do you see Linares and Salido fairing against Spence? Brutal beating? Then imagine Loma-Spence. It wouldn't be easy work for Loma.

Spence is too strong and also somewhat skilled, even if they were the same weight.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I guess I'm saying pedigree is important too. Not just resume or skills. Errol Spence is a prime example. His resume isn't great or even his skills, but the pedigree is there, grit.

[Vlad_]

Loma is definitely on my top 10. I weighed him and his skills in my mind against the guys on my list. I don't know if he can beat any of my top 5.

I used to like Loma a lot until his fanboys ruined that with proclamations of utter greatness. That said, I still like Loma, but we can't just ignore Salido and his epic struggle against a little above average Linares. Please don't tell me Linares is great!

I wouldn't argue against Usyk being #1, however.

Salido came in overweight, was fouling all night, and by the end you could clearly see Loma dominatating, plus it was Loma’s second pro fight.

With Linares, Loma came up in weight, fought the number one guy at that weight, popped his hand out of socket in the second round, fought on and won by TKO.

So it’s really a matter of perspective.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Salido came in overweight, was fouling all night, and by the end you could clearly see Loma dominatating, plus it was Loma’s second pro fight.

With Linares, Loma came up in weight, fought the number one guy at that weight, popped his hand out of socket in the second round, fought on and won by TKO.

So it’s really a matter of perspective.

Loma should have stayed at 130 and finished his career there. He looked too small for 135. This is his ceiling.

135 will be interesting soon with Mikey, Loma, Davis, and more in 2019.

[g27region]

Lomachenko has only been beaten by Salido, and Canelo by Floyd, What the hell has Lomachenko done in pro boxing to justify his spot above Canelo?

Do you even watch fights or only boxrec pages? Salido/Lomachenko was a close fight that could've gone either way, Canelo/Maywethaer was one-sided dominance. That's if you think bringing up these two fights is still relevant, because yeah, current versions of Canelo and Lomachenko are obviously the same fighters they were back then

[g27region]

The person behind this list is a fan of Mikey, that was obvious before. No way Garcia is ahead of Usyk or Canelo. As for Canelo being ahead of Crawford or Lomachenko, can't really agree with that, his resume looks amazing but when you start doing research you find out he never had any dominant performance against any decent opponent, not even an elite one. A lot of close competitive fights but questionable scorecards that shows you the picture of dominant Canelo performance like it was in Lara fight if my memory serves. That's one of the reasons I respect Mayweather, every time he had a competitive fights he always gave rematches, did his homework and erased all the doubts, made critics eat their words. Some guy said Walters sucks, are you crazy? This win doesn't age well for Lomachenko, like Postol win for Crawford (both were coming off a long delay, so there's a lot of similarities) but Walters has a better resume than somebody like Gervonta Davis with wins over Donaire, Darchinyan, and solid guys like Marriaga and Sosa (which wasn't really a draw). So Crawford, Usyk and Loma has a case for the first spot but for different reasons. And maybe someone has to enlighten me, but who has Naoya Inoue beaten that makes him higher on the list than Spence who at least has Kell Brook scalp? That's pure BS

[Robbie Barrett]

The person behind this list is a fan of Mikey, that was obvious before. No way Garcia is ahead of Usyk or Canelo. As for Canelo being ahead of Crawford or Lomachenko, can't really agree with that, his resume looks amazing but when you start doing research you find out he never had any dominant performance against any decent opponent, not even an elite one. A lot of close competitive fights but questionable scorecards that shows you the picture of dominant Canelo performance like it was in Lara fight if my memory serves. That's one of the reasons I respect Mayweather, every time he had a competitive fights he always gave rematches, did his homework and erased all the doubts, made critics eat their words. Some guy said Walters sucks, are you crazy? This win doesn't age well for Lomachenko, like Postol win for Crawford (both were coming off a long delay, so there's a lot of similarities) but Walters has a better resume than somebody like Gervonta Davis with wins over Donaire, Darchinyan, and solid guys like Marriaga and Sosa (which wasn't really a draw). So Crawford, Usyk and Loma has a case for the first spot but for different reasons. And maybe someone has to enlighten me, but who has Naoya Inoue beaten that makes him higher on the list than Spence who at least has Kell Brook scalp? That's pure BS

Garcia has held titles in 4 divisions in the last few years. He's achieved around the same as Lomachenko. It's not ridiculous at all to rank him high.

[g27region]

Garcia has held titles in 4 divisions in the last few years. He's achieved around the same as Lomachenko. It's not ridiculous at all to rank him high.

The same thing why everybody brings up the fact Broner was the champ in several divisions but never mention the fact who he's actually defeated for the titles, because it's Paulie Malignanni (or what was the name of that McGregor sparring partner) and that's it

See, some people picked Postol to beat Crawford. Some people picked Walters and GRJ to beat Lomachenko. Even Rigo with all disadvantages he had, had his cult followers who thought he's some kind of boxing miracle who can't do no wrong and age or size difference doesn't affect him. I don't name names, but there's a poster who is still here when he was supposed to leave the site after betting on Linares against Loma last time.

Gassiev/Usyk was 50/50 fight.
Golovkin/Canelo was 50/50 fight too.
And Mikey is higher than Usyk and Canelo
Now....

Who picked Lipinets over Mikey Garcia? Or Adrian Broner against Mikey Garcia? Easter or Zlaticanin against Garcia? Almost nobody except for trolls, right? That's what I'm saying. Why he should be higher on the list than two guys who went through their 50/50 fights, Canelo and Usyk? It's not about multiple divisions, it's about who you beat for me

[Sosay]

Picking hairs fellaz. The top 7 are interchangable at any spot. I actually like all 10. I might change a few spots but it honestly doesn't matter.

How about we just ALL demand that the guys on that list, (close in weight) fight each other.

Mikey/Loma
Spence/Bud
Wilder/Joshua/eventually Usyk
Nelo or GGG/Charlo
Hurd/other Charlo etc!