SO did wilder duck Whyte?

[Laligalaliga]

Parker can't fight in the US without Arum's permission and Arum wouldn't let him fight Wilder.

If Ortiz and Parker signed to fight tomorrow, Ortiz would be heavily favored.

You're entitled to your uneducated inexperienced amateur opinion, but the world's leading experts unanimously hold Ortiz in higher regard than Parker.

Congratulations if you disagree.

Congratulations to you too for your end of the month payday defending lies without shame.
Good luck.

[N/A]

Congratulations to you too for your end of the month payday defending lies without shame.
Good luck.

every single thing you quoted is true. where is the lie?

[Laszlo]

SO now evidence has emerged ill post the facts first.

Whyte was number one in WBC rankings.

Whyte made second mandatory (behind Brezeale)

Wilder said public “Whyte go fight Ortiz then I’ll fight you”

Eddie Hearn offered Wilder $8m to fight Whyte - with aim to build up Joshua fight - but wouldn’t include AJ in contract

Whyte direct messaged wilder saying he will fight Ortiz if wilder will fight him next. Wilder responds saying he will avoid Whyte for as long as he can, at least two years after he becomes mandatory.

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So what’s your view, did wilder duck Whyte? Was he right too? Did he consider Whyte too risky to gamble his title?

Nobody is ducking Whyte

[N/A]

So tell me, which live body has he fought?

His 2018 is a higher level of competition than AJ's 2018, in both Boxrec and TBRB, yet you claim he's avoiding all live bodies.

Even though both 2018 fights are VOLUNTARIES. Which means he went out of his way to face tougher competition than anybody else in his division.

So, when you take such an extreme position, a position which is the exact opposite of reality, you once again expose yourself as the absolute idiot that you are.

[Jkp]

you cant duck a lower ranked boxer to chase a higher ranked one..Wilder just did not entertain Hearn's games

I heard AJ ducked the Charles Martin 2 rematch 🤣

[Jkp]

Both Povetkin and Parker were rank 3 with box rec and the ring at the time of the fight. Bellew was until a few days ago ahead of both fury and Ortiz in the live stats but move down to cruiserweight now of course.

But that also doesn’t take into context the fury position anyway - everybody knows he would be better having more fights. That isn’t to blame wilder that’s an opportunistic move in my view to take him while he’s a certain win.

CLearly wilder has a resume no where near AJ but none of this comparison to AJ has any bearing on the context of this thread and whether Whyte is being ducked though.

The rankings are clearly ridiculously inaccurate if sausage **** bellew was #3 heavy weight in the universe. What a joke...

[Kezzer]

WBC WBA WBF -

why would Parker’s nto be able to fight in America without Arum permission ?

AJ fought rank3 in the ring & boxrec at the time of both Parker and povetkin fights. Clearly that is higher rankings than Ortiz (4 in the ring, 5 in boxrec).

Clearly live ratings have worsened since then with Parker losing to Whyte. That doesn’t make history improve. If you want to work in that logic..


Joshua’s last fights (boxrec) were against ranks:
3 - povetkin
10 - parker
42 - takam
Unranked (last rank 1) - klitschko
31 - molina
8 - Breazeale
15 - Martin
5 - Whyte

In comparison wilder has taken on:
7 - Ortiz
33 - Stiverne
36 - Washington
Unranked (last ranked about 30-40) I - Arreola
30 - Szpilka
26 - duhaupus
31 - molina
33 - stiverne

So 5 in 8 (which doesn’t include klitschko) in top 15 for AJ vs 1 in 8 top25 for Wilder. Really doesn’t help your argument.

[Kezzer]

The rankings are clearly ridiculously inaccurate if sausage **** bellew was #3 heavy weight in the universe. What a joke...

Agree. The two which stood as out Messed up were bellew and fury.

Bellew because his stats were skewed based on his cruiserweight fights & increasing significantly as a result of beating Haye (who’s rating was clearly better than his current level)

Fury because his rating is based on his statistics before his comeback ; hence doesn’t reflect his current level either.

Outside of that you have to say majority of top15-20 doesn’t look ridiculous; odd one a few places higher or lower but generally ok

[N/A]

why would Parker’s nto be able to fight in America without Arum permission ?

Arum has his US rights.

AJ fought rank3 in the ring & boxrec at the time of both Parker and povetkin fights. Clearly that is higher rankings than Ortiz (4 in the ring, 5 in boxrec).

Ring is owned by Golden Boy Promotions and countless members of the Ring ratings advisory board have come forward to expose Golden Boy corrupting the ratings. Ring is irrelevant.

As for Ortiz, even if we got by Ring like you want, how can you say #4 in the world isn't a live body? Doesn't make any sense.

[Kezzer]

Arum has his US rights.




Ring is owned by Golden Boy Promotions and countless members of the Ring ratings advisory board have come forward to expose Golden Boy corrupting the ratings. Ring is irrelevant.

As for Ortiz, even if we got by Ring like you want, how can you say #4 in the world isn't a live body? Doesn't make any sense.

Ive never said it isn’t. It’s hard to gauge Ortiz really because he hasn’t fought anyone either, but as you can see from my previous post generally wilder has been taking on pretty weak opposition last several years so Ortiz was a huge step up from that. Fury is a good fight, I just wish fury had been able to have at least a decent level opponent first; even if wilder wins it will be hard to give him full credit in the circumstances.

In order to build up fight with Joshua, even if it means delaying the fight, it would be good to see wilder take on a couple more higher end rankings:

At least one of:

Whyte
Parker
Povetkin

Then at least one of the next tier:
Miller
Brezeale
Takam (his ranking looks pretty low but solid enough)

As an example if he came into a fight with AJ on the back of wins over Ortiz, fury, povetkin and Miller - you could sell the fight far more (partially because you could also do some fight comparisons of same opponents) and wilder could argue a higher % far more convincingly.