Joshua V Wilder: What do YOU think would be fair?

[Sid-Knee]

Yes yes, everybody's opinion is atrocious except for yours. Nobody knows anything about how good fighters are except for you. All of the leading experts should be ignored in favor of your uneducated amateur opinion. Sounds reasonable.

Give me your best shot at an argument then and stop avoiding it?

You can't because you know it will be laughable. No matter how hard you try to spruce it up it will fall flatter than your sisters ****. You and I both know it.

[Sid-Knee]

Again with the money. Wilder and Fury are fighting each other because they want to prove to themselves that they are the best in the division. So they don't care if they are making 2 million a fight.



Fury is the head of the division, the heavyweight lineal champion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...orld_champions). A lineage that dates back 133 years... Have you seen the names on that list? ARE THEY REAL TO YOU??? Does Joshua's name appear anywhere on that list? So who's delusional?



The winner of Wilder-Fury will have a lot more than just a belt and I think you know this.

Then stop trying to claim Wilder being worth more money in a fight against Joshua then. You get paid what your worth and no more. Wilder isn't a ticket seller or a star so shouldn't be getting anywhere near to 15 million for the fight. But Hearn has been kind to the peasant and made an offer to change his life by offering more than he'll ever get for any other fight.

Fury isn't close to being the head of the division. He's been away for 3 years so that counts against him. He's 8 in the rankings. And even that is too high after beating a crap Cruiserweight and a shot bum in Pianeta. Joshua leads the way as the man no matter how much it makes you *****es cry.

They'll have the WBC and the second ranking at Heavyweight behind the leading man in Joshua. Nothing else is up for grabs. Sorry if that's too much for you to deal with.

[Marchegiano]

Tyson and Douglas are both American, so it isn't the same. It has to be a big American name fighting an international fighter who isn't American.

It doesn't happen. Which is why it shouldn't happen here with Joshua either. To propose it is nothing short of preposterous. AJ is the huge A side so he decides where it takes place. If Wilder and his fans don't like it, they can fight bums at home instead for peanuts. Joshua will keep himself busy by continuing to clean out the division against fighters who actually want to fight and don't price themselves out like Wilder is doing.

I fail to see how them being from the same nation discounts how fair it is to have a fight on neutral ground, but ok I'll give that to you.

How about Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko in America?

Wlad vs Tony in Switzerland?


At any rate I fail to see how finances has anything to do with a fair fight. Next time I'm stopped by a group and I ask for a fair one should we go over one another's income as well? Fair means two men fighting without outside interference getting in the way.

[Sid-Knee]

I fail to see how them being from the same nation discounts how fair it is to have a fight on neutral ground, but ok I'll give that to you.

How about Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko in America?

Wlad vs Tony in Switzerland?


At any rate I fail to see how finances has anything to do with a fair fight. Next time I'm stopped by a group and I ask for a fair one should we go over one another's income as well? Fair means two men fighting without outside interference getting in the way.

Yeah, Lennox and Vitali are both American. Huh???

Tony was a big name American fighter taking on a lesser international fighter on Neutral ground when he fought the Heavyweight champion in Wladimir? Are you sure?

No big A side fighter takes on a lesser international fighter on neutral ground, they nearly always have the fight at home. Which is where Joshua wants to fight Wilder. As it should be.

[N/A]

Give me your best shot at an argument then and stop avoiding it?

Two idiots arguing on the internet over which fighter is better is a waste of time. If you didn't have Ortiz ranked high, good for you. The most respected experts did. He's considered one of the very best in the world. I don't need to convince you of anything because convincing you doesn't change the credibility of Wilder's win.

[N/A]

You're the one who keeps on claiming Wilder is getting paid more money than is advertised, not me.

It's not what's advertised. It's what's filed with the commission, which isn't a true reflection of the overall package. All the top stars do this. It's common knowledge. So you come across as a complete idiot when you claim the filed purse is what he's really making. Crawford is guaranteed a minimum of $3 million per fight from Top Rank, but his filed purse was still $1.75 million. Filed purses are irrelevant.

Then you say, well maybe AJ makes more than his filed purse too? Okay, well, what's his filed purse? You won't tell us. You point to Wilder's filed purse as the gospel, but have no idea what AJ's filed purse is. Be consistent.

[Sid-Knee]

Two idiots arguing on the internet over which fighter is better is a waste of time. If you didn't have Ortiz ranked high, good for you. The most respected experts did. He's considered one of the very best in the world. I don't need to convince you of anything because convincing you doesn't change the credibility of Wilder's win.

Haha, And yet again you avoid it. We both know WHY. Enjoy your Friday.

[davefromvancouv]

Then stop trying to claim Wilder being worth more money in a fight against Joshua then. You get paid what your worth and no more. Wilder isn't a ticket seller or a star so shouldn't be getting anywhere near to 15 million for the fight. But Hearn has been kind to the peasant and made an offer to change his life by offering more than he'll ever get for any other fight.

Fury isn't close to being the head of the division. He's been away for 3 years so that counts against him. He's 8 in the rankings. And even that is too high after beating a crap Cruiserweight and a shot bum in Pianeta. Joshua leads the way as the man no matter how much it makes you *****es cry.

They'll have the WBC and the second ranking at Heavyweight behind the leading man in Joshua. Nothing else is up for grabs. Sorry if that's too much for you to deal with.

They are worth 50% as proven, undefeated champions in the ring, Fury as the lineal champion and Wilder as the most dangerous and longest reigning WBC champion. Although technically, as you know, Fury is still the unified WBA IBF and WBO champion, having never lost those titles in the ring.... So their fight is really for the "undisputed" championship. But to be fair, it's just for the WBC and lineal titles. That's good enough for most fans.

Both Wilder and Fury have stated that they won't fight Joshua unless he accepts a 50/50 deal. So until that happens, Wilder and Fury are not fighting Joshua anytime soon. Then again, they were champions (with all the belts) before Joshua came on the scene so it's really Joshua who needs THEM to prove he's better than the current champions.

Wilder and Fury stand to make a lot of money on December 1st. After that, there's a WBC mandatory, a tuneup fight for the one that came up short, and a possible UK rematch. It may not be Joshua money, but they'll be fine...

You and all the Joshua fans will have Joshua all to yourself in 2019. So everybody's happy... those that want to follow the fighters that challenge themselves against the best perceived threats in the division, and those that want to see how much money Joshua can make with each fight...

[N/A]

Haha, And yet again you avoid it. We both know WHY. Enjoy your Friday.

I'm not going to let an idiot drag me into an idiotic argument. I think Ortiz would beat Povetkin, so I have Ortiz rated higher. You think Povetkin would beat Ortiz, so you have Povetkin rated higher. Good for you. Neither one of us can prove the other wrong, but when rating the more significant victory, Wilder beating Ortiz or AJ beating Povetkin, the Ortiz victory carries more weight because most experts hold Ortiz in higher regard. You don't. Good for you. Why do you want me to try to change your mind when we both know you won't change your mind? And your opinion has no impact on which win carries more weight in the industry.

[STREET CLEANER]

Am just saying, if you were AJ with all that accolades and drawing power and the kind of money you make per fight, will you accept 55% against a guy that has never been on ppv?
Never fought in front of 20k spectators, still fighting for 1.5m?

Common, boxing is also business, let's not turn blind eyes to that aspect. AJ worked so hard to be in that position, it was never given to him on a platter of gold.

Fights draw relies in the dance partner. And if you read my previous post is IF Wilder beats Fury in a fight of the year candidate it will change things. My prediction is that the Fury/Wilder fight is going to be boring