Should Fast Eddie Have Seen The Okey-Doke Coming?

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  • GGG Gloveking
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    #11
    Originally posted by zok310
    Its an even bigger win for him actually. You Wilder fans are so caught up with hate that you cant even see that the Fury Wilder fight makes the AJ Wilder fight even more revenue considering Wilder wins.
    Wilder made the right move, he needed the equalizer to deserve the 50/50. Wilder beats Fury everyone on the planet will vouch for him to get a 50/50 split in the AJ fight.
    This is good for Wilder and AJ, the size of the pot just got bigger.
    Put the hate aside use some logic here. Ask yourself how does this hurt Hearn in any possible way when his guy fight the winner?
    Assuming your post is true and 50-50 will be warranted...

    (50% revenue) - $15M = Hearns loss

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    • OnePunch
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      #12
      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
      AJ goes from having two massive options to one massive option.

      AJ goes from having incredible leverage with both massive options to far less leverage with the one massive option.

      Wilder and Fury likely fight a rematch next year, and possibly a trilogy fight if they split the first two fights. While AJ is stuck in mandatory purgatory.

      AJ can only keep his momentum for so long if all of the most interesting heavyweight fights don't involve him.

      his "incredible leverage" sure didnt help get the Wilder fight made, so not sure how much weight that carries.

      And as for a Wilder-Fury rematch, impossible to predict until we see how the first fight plays out. Good chance that Fury stinks out the place like he did vs Klitschko. And if that happens, nobody will want a rematch.

      The long game looks fine for Joshua, assuming of course he beats Povetkin. He will have a possible mega fight with the Wilder-Fury winner at some point, and if not he can still can put 75,000 in Wembley to watch him fight the Fedex guy.

      Not a bad spot to be in.......

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      • Clegg
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        #13
        You have to wonder what Hearn's aims were or put yourself in his position. If you think he wants to keep AJ away from Wilder/Fury so that by the time AJ does take it and lose, the fight is worth more money and he's gotten in extra easier paydays beforehand, then it's worked out well. If you think he would beat those guys but is just being unreasonable in negotiations then yes it's a mistake. It would've been best to beat unbeaten Wilder then unbeaten Fury rather than let one pick up a defeat and maybe never get back to top level.

        As fans we always want the best fights so hard to be in promoter mode. But if I was Hearn I would've done a deal with Wilder where AJ had a rematch clause but Wilder didn't. It's unfair, but I would've given Wilder a fairer % to get it done. I see that as the smartest thing a promoter can do when two unbeaten punchers collide because anything can happen, if your guy is better he might still get clipped, if he's a level below the opponent his power means he still might win given 2 attempts at it.

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        • saintpat
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          #14
          Eddie forgot one of the first principles of war: Plan for your opponent’s capabilities, not his intentions.

          Hearn banked on Wilder’s intention if he couldn’t get a fight with AJ being a fight with Breazeale (which Eddie claimed publicly was already signed ... what happened to that?) and he banked on Fury being on a slow road back and not being interested in stepping up until next year (against AJ ... yet Fury and Warren said from the start of Tyson’s comeback that he would be fighting for a title before the end of 2018).

          Those were the intentions, which is what Eddie focused on ... instead, he should have considered the capability — they were capable of making a fight with each other that would suck the wind out of AJ-Povetkin and make it a non-event on DaysInn instead of a high-profile date on the USA streaming service to put in on the map.

          Alarms should have rang when he brought AJ and Povetkin to New York last month to announce the fight at a big “hey DAZN is coming to America” press conference and all anyone asked about was why AJ wasn’t fighting Wilder (that’s when AJ said to his fans “If they want a Wilder fight, they should take up boxing and they can fight him, it’s not as easy as you think”).

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          • Boksfan
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            #15
            Warren would keep all that in secret from Eddie, he couldn't have known.

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            • zok310
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              #16
              Originally posted by GGG Gloveking
              Assuming your post is true and 50-50 will be warranted...

              (50% revenue) - $15M = Hearns loss
              The pot increased, so he gets the same cut but more revenue.....
              Thought i made that clear.

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              • GGG Gloveking
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                #17
                Originally posted by zok310
                The pot increased, so he gets the same cut but more revenue.....
                Thought i made that clear.
                The pot increasing only makes Eddies loss that much greater. The equation is how much Eddie will pay minus the $15M flat fee proposed to Wilder.

                Let's say (hypothetical figures here) the fight would have done $80M. Subtracting the $15M flat fee would leave Eddie with $65M. Now, if the value of the fight has increased to $100M, but now Eddie has to pay 50%, that would only leave Eddie with $50M, a loss of $15M. The only way 50% increases Eddie's take is if the total valuation for the fight is less than $30M

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                • TheBigLug
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by daggum
                  i don't think he cared. fury just fought on an undercard. lets not pretend like he is some super popular fighter. yes he would have liked to cherry pick fury but he didn't think fury would be ready for awhile so props to wilder for getting the cherry first. thats what boxing is about. who can get that baldomir first!
                  He's a bigger draw than people think

                  He sold out MEN arena for his comeback against a nobody, that is 22,000 people

                  His PPV v wlad is one of the biggest ever on sky and that isn't down to wlad. wlad's fights were barely watched in the UK, most of the time any decent broadcaster didn't even pick the fights up. I remember some of them being on Eurosport, which nobody watches.

                  He gets massive TV figures whenever he fights.

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                  • STREET CLEANER
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by koolkc107
                    Now that we know Wilder vs Fury is a thing, the question must be asked...should Hearn have recognized the possibility that Tyson and Deontay would get together and outflank him or was it something no one could have anticipated?
                    A few months ago Fast Eddie was celebrating that he had Wilder cornered, just where he wanted him.

                    Look how this has turned out

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by daggum
                      i don't think he cared. fury just fought on an undercard. lets not pretend like he is some super popular fighter. yes he would have liked to cherry pick fury but he didn't think fury would be ready for awhile so props to wilder for getting the cherry first. thats what boxing is about. who can get that baldomir first!
                      How many of this guy's 32,000 posts have had the word "Baldomir" in? I'm willing to bet it's atleast 20,000

                      Mate 2006 was TWELVE years ago. Twelve.

                      Get over it, seriously. You are a grown man now. It's embarrassing.

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