Anthony Joshua vs. Luis Ortiz

[BendOver]

Ortiz has slowed considerably as well. I think Joshua batters him, Parker would take him deep and blikely stop him late, Povetkin would spark him badly, Wilder would do exactly the same thing again in a rematch, Hughie Fury would outbox him to a points win, Pulev would beat him (he was a better amateur and beat the best Cuban that beat Ortiz 5 times)..... Miller would overwhelm him and make him gas.

Ortiz is finished, he was finished a long time ago.

And that is why he almost ko wilder. Because he is finished. He is not the same but I have to see him really losing against a nobody before I say that. Five years ago no heavyweight with a name wanted to face Ortiz. He loss against wilder and still I don't the parkers of the world lining up to fight him.

[The plunger man]

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In what way is Povetkin better then Ortiz? Please elaborate.

olympic champion and his only loss was against a proven all time great heavyweight.
Ortiz is unproven and his only loss was against wilder who was rendered uncontious 2 times when facing of with WK.
So povetkin according to facts and statistics is a better fighter.

[Kezzer]

As boxing fans we want the best to fight the best. It's given that the best three heavyweights are Joshua, Ortiz and Wilder.

Why isn't there a demand for this fight?

Povetkin
Fury
Parker
Whyte

You could argue any of these are above Ortiz. Ortiz already had the chance to fight once but obviously chose not too, but if Ortiz was matched up with Joshua I would happily watch that fight.

[lolpz]

lol. Let's look at this objectively shall we? Rather than the Wilder beat Ortiz so Ortiz has to be better way.

Ortiz is famed for his "amateur pedigree" where he had a fantastic record of a reported 343–19... but lost in every major international amateur tournament.

Povetkin on the other hand had a short amateur career... and won the European championships twice, World championships once and was the Olympic champion (that Ortiz never even qualified for).

Povetkin also has a better professional resume, having been the WBA regular champion for a while, whilst Ortiz was only ever the interim champion.

They're both drug cheats whom haven't really had any decent performances since being caught so they both have genuine question marks over their abilities there.

So yeh... let me turn this around on you... how is Ortiz better than Povetkin? Give me anything remotely quantifiable.

From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power.

I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it.

The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying.

[famicommander]

Ortiz is high risk, low reward. I have Joshua as a better overall fighter, especially given his size and age compared to Ortiz. But Hearn would rather have Joshua fight weaker fighters for the same or more money.

I do think, however, that Ortiz was the tougher matchup for Wilder as opposed to Joshua. Ortiz is very experienced, crafty, defensively sound, and a southpaw that was able to consistently disrupt Wilder's jab.

[daggum]

From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power.

I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it.

The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying.

or in other words you are going off your own opinion and not what has been proven.

well ward actually has a good resume though so that doenst really make much sense. if they had said ward was p4p #1 before beating anyone good like before he entered the super six that would be pretty dubious. it would be like saying tank davis is the best right now. speed, power, slickness we just know hes the best!

[lolpz]

or in other words you are going off your own opinion and not what has been proven.

well ward actually has a good resume though so that doenst really make much sense. if they had said ward was p4p #1 before beating anyone good like before he entered the super six that would be pretty dubious. it would be like saying tank davis is the best right now. speed, power, slickness we just know hes the best!

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Re read everything I said top to bottom, then get back to me. Possibly even a couple times if necessary.

If you cannot comprehend what I wrote after that, I will move on.

P.S - There is no "In other words." The words you read are the words I wrote. I don't need anyone, especially you(who seems to lack comprehension skills), talking for me. What I write speaks for itself.

[Deus]

From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power.

I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it.

The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying.

"From the eye test" isn't quantifiable.

Also... i'm wondering where all this footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection was when Ortiz was plodding after Malik Scott in Monaco. If he had the footwork and slickness you talk of there he would have cornered Scott and finished him.

I'm also wondering where this proven power is... considering he's only knocked out David Martz since his suspension for performance enhancing drugs. The fact that he (like Povetkin) was caught on PEDs brings to question any knockout he's had in the past so the only reference you have for power at the moment is a complete journeyman and the fact that he wobbled Wilder. That's not proven power by any means.

Make no mistake though... i'm not suggesting Ortiz is a nothing fighter in order to discredit Wilder here. Even with all these question marks Ortiz is still one of the top guys in the division, but so is Povetkin. You can't quash one whilst waxing lyrical about the other when actually comparatively speaking they are both in near enough the same situation in terms of their careers right now.

[lolpz]

"From the eye test" isn't quantifiable.

Also... i'm wondering where all this footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection was when Ortiz was plodding after Malik Scott in Monaco. If he had the footwork and slickness you talk of there he would have cornered Scott and finished him.

I'm also wondering where this proven power is... considering he's only knocked out David Martz since his suspension for performance enhancing drugs. The fact that he (like Povetkin) was caught on PEDs brings to question any knockout he's had in the past so the only reference you have for power at the moment is a complete journeyman and the fact that he wobbled Wilder. That's not proven power by any means.

Make no mistake though... i'm not suggesting Ortiz is a nothing fighter in order to discredit Wilder here. Even with all these question marks Ortiz is still one of the top guys in the division, but so is Povetkin. You can't quash one whilst waxing lyrical about the other when actually comparatively speaking they are both in near enough the same situation in terms of their careers right now.

This thread is about comparing and contrasting Luis Ortiz and Povetkin, as opponents for Anthony Joshua.

Who do you think would win in a fight Povetkin vs. Ortiz? I have Ortiz stopping him personally. What is your prediction? I'm curious. I favor the better fighter

[champion4ever]

Anthony vs Luis would be an awesome fight

Anthony won't fight Ortiz because Eddie Hearn won't let him.