Anthony Joshua vs. Luis Ortiz

[Thraxox]

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In what way is Povetkin better then Ortiz? Please elaborate.

Everything, better left hook, better punch technique, better placement of traps etc. etc. MUCH faster and much more experienced and especially has the better resume, he has a better resume than Wilder that's for sure.

[Thraxox]

How someone looks against bums doesn't matter. You can't sit there and tell me skill wise Ortiz isn't the best at heavyweight currently, you clearly don't know what you're watching.

Ortiz isn't the best heavyweight in the world skill wise.

[Vinnykin]

Ortiz might have skills but he doesn't have the conditioning, the guy made a rookie mistake and punched himself out trying to take Wilder's head off, his lack of top level experience disqualifies him from any talk about being the third best HW in the world!

Wins a few round against a Wilder clearly trying to take him deep and conserving energy and everyone thinks it makes up for 3 years of inactivity and poor performances against NO top fighters.

[Ray*]

I wouldn’t mind seeing this fight to be honest, but this sort of fight has to generate momentum. Ortiz doesn’t really have momentum expect back in 2014/2015. And when he was brought over here to fight to build up a Joshua fight he looked terrible. So that fight didn’t generate any sort of interest from the public.

[Ray*]

Ortiz might have skills but he doesn't have the conditioning, the guy made a rookie mistake and punched himself out trying to take Wilder's head off, his lack of top level experience disqualifies him from any talk about being the third best HW in the world!

Wins a few round against a Wilder clearly trying to take him deep and conserving energy and everyone thinks it makes up for 3 years of inactivity and poor performances against NO top fighters.

That’s one thing I didn’t get with his “Boogeyman” sale thing. Yes he was undefeated but it wasn’t like his resume was stacked with him knocking out great fighters.

[Vinnykin]

That’s one thing I didn’t get with his “Boogeyman” sale thing. Yes he was undefeated but it wasn’t like his resume was stacked with him knocking out great fighters.

Ortiz has slowed considerably as well. I think Joshua batters him, Parker would take him deep and blikely stop him late, Povetkin would spark him badly, Wilder would do exactly the same thing again in a rematch, Hughie Fury would outbox him to a points win, Pulev would beat him (he was a better amateur and beat the best Cuban that beat Ortiz 5 times)..... Miller would overwhelm him and make him gas.

Ortiz is finished, he was finished a long time ago.

[_Rexy_]

That’s one thing I didn’t get with his “Boogeyman” sale thing. Yes he was undefeated but it wasn’t like his resume was stacked with him knocking out great fighters.

He wasn't considered a boogyman because of his resume, he was considered the boogyman because of the fact that every top heavyweight has ducked Ortiz since he went pro.

Which coincidentally is why he has a lackluster resume

[Randall Cunning]

He wasn't considered a boogyman because of his resume, he was considered the boogyman because of the fact that every top heavyweight has ducked Ortiz since he went pro.

Which coincidentally is why he has a lackluster resume

Was he really avoided, or did he just **** up every opportunity given to him? Failing tests, ditching promoters on the verge of a title shot, stinking out the joint when given other opportunities. Ortiz has himself to blame

[BendOver]

I don’t know

There’s probably nothing he can do except keep trying to get the best names in the ring and hope they don’t pop dirty and keep dropping his A-bombs on them and knocking them out. But the thing is most top end HW are going to fight AJ if they have the chance because he brings more $ to the table and while he has legit power if it lands it isn’t going to make them have a seizure in the ring like a Wilder punch

Wilder just has to keep winning and hopefully his profile keeps growing and fans will demand other top names to face him

Like I said a high % of boxing fans are groupies for a handful of fighters and hate everyone else especially a fighter the see as a threat whether they publicly acknowledge it or not .some AJ fans claim Wilder ducked Povetkin because he tested dirty and the fight didn’t go down . They’ll also claim Wilders a bum and fought nothing but bums if that was the case you’d think they’d be chomping at the bit for AJ to get that last strap for such a easy fight

Wilder should be getting a tonne of praise for the Ortiz fight simply because Ortiz is probably the most skilled HW and has been avoided by any of the top HW for years and Wilder chased that fight and won when he could have been like everyone else and avoided it with little to no public repercussions.

Hearn didn’t want no part of Ortiz for AJ , Fury wanted no part. It’s no different then all the 122 guys avoiding Rigo like he had AIDS and only got the Loma fight when he was so far past prime and had to jump up 2 divisions

Sorry for the novel

Not a novel, a really good post. By the way wilder could had folded in that 6 or 7 round, he weather the storm and came back.

[BendOver]

Was he really avoided, or did he just **** up every opportunity given to him? Failing tests, ditching promoters on the verge of a title shot, stinking out the joint when given other opportunities. Ortiz has himself to blame

never see him stinking out the joint. I had seen fighters running from him but not the other way around.