Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Responds To Errol Spence's Stance on Promoters

[McNulty]

You missed it by a mile.

You listed a bunch of popular fighters, atgs, legends.... Who fought Oscar. Tell me, who is Spence's Hector Camacho, Ike, Gatti, Mosley, Trinidad, Pernell W or Chavez? None.

Spence options are Pacquiao which is not happening, Crawford, Thurman, Garcia, Porter and if he decided to move up Charlo, Hurd lol... Even if he goes nuts and hits 160 he won't be a PPV star cuz none of these guys are worth it themselves.

Today's Andre-Ward character type of fighters just don't cut it when it comes to PPV stars. You need more than skill or tough fights to cross over to the casuals.

I didn't miss shít, it just went over your head by a mile and you're making personal excuses for Spence. I listed a side by side comparison for 6 years and a comparitive list of up until 28 years of age. Top Rank put Oscar into great fights. Spence ain't fought nobody and you can make up all the excuses in the world you want, but it's not going to change anything. Spence needs a promoter, the end. He's not making great fights on his own. He's making checks, yay great for him and his family. But I want to see good fights, not this Ocampo bullshít.

Oscar's first 19 fights were at 135, 3 fights at 140, and 12 fights at 147 by the time he hit 28. That's 3 weight classes.

Spence been fighting at 147 and a few showings at 154 but really weird weights of 147˝. You say there is a lack of stars, I disagree because he's been hovering at 147. In comparison he should be at 160 by now and cleaned out 147, 154, and getting started at 160. That's how modern great fighters operate. They move up in weights and kick áss along the way.

Truth is, Spence hasn't fought anybody real yet.

And to tell the truth, Oscar beats the brakes off Spence at 147. Oscar has lived a tumultuous life, but he was a great fighter who could box and brawl. Spence is a one trick pony, come forward, no lateral movement, no defense. Ocampo was landing a lot of punches he shouldn't have and if he wouldn't have gotten stopped at the very end of the round I would have scored the round for Ocampo.

Against cans, he's smashing them to bits, but lets see him against someone real. Even though he mashed Brook he looked relatively lacklustre doing it. I don't buy the over the pond nerves excuse one bit.

Lets look at someone who has been handled properly by a promoter: Canelo.

Canelo started at 140, now at 160 and has beat a lot of really good fighters along the way. And psst, guess what? He's 27 years old. He has a promoter, a great promoter and been against some great fighters.

Jose Cotto
Baldomir
Ndou
Matt Hatton
Ryan Rhodes
Alfonso Gomez
Kermit Cintron
Shane Mosely
Josesito Lopez
Austin Trout
Mayweather
Angulo
Lara
Kirkland
Miguel Cotto
Khan
Chavez Jr
GGG

Ward was another mishandled fighter. I don't rate guys that stay in one class (168) and fight dirty as fůck. He only got paydays against Kovalev due to a fly-by-night promoter wannabe outfit who overpaid him hoping it would pay dividends --- which it didn't. Not sure how Ward is relevent to this discusion at all.

[OldTerry]

I wonder why it’s unfinished ��

He needs the money! $200 million blown on who knows what.

[OldTerry]

Which other GB fighters are making 10, 15, 20 million dollars other than canleo with an entire country behind him?

I agree that promoters generate greater revenue for fights and thus greater earnings for their fighters. However, from what I've seen their cheery picking tactics often create question marks and thus adversely harm the legacies of their fighters. Cases in point are Canelo and Anthony Joshua. The tactics of Hearn and Oscar have tarnished the public perception of both AJ and Canelo.

[OldTerry]

Stop acting like Wilder is a PPV star. It's Anthony Joshua. Wilder won't have a PPV fight against anyone else if it's not AJ.

True words. Still Wilder will probably KO AJ. If that happens Wilder's future fights could well be ppv.

[OldTerry]

Boxers get blamed for ducking certain fighters, when its the promoters actually making the fights. So why not. When a promoter cant make the fight happen, the boxer gets blamed. Floyd signed the BIGGEST SPORTS contract with Showtime with Al Haymon as his "Advisor", his last fights where vs Pac (over 300m),
Berto (36mil)
Connor (over 300mil)
Please name me a "Promoter" who has ever dont that for a fighter........................................... ............................... The two top fighters Arum ever had left him and became bigger Superstars (Oscar, Floyd), one stayed (Pac).......look at the difference in their careers regarding financial stability.....Pac (debt), Floyd/Oscar (MONEY). TR biggest fight, was vs Floyd.
Oscars biggest fight was vs Floyd. Oscars biggest fight as a promoter was vs Floyd. (Canelo)
Just because some of you hate floyd, you cant nor want to see anything he's done as being successful. Please name a boxer as successful as Floyd that has fought EVERYONE, when requested, at the right time, at the right moment with all stipulations geared against him, with the opponents fav ref, your fav network, your fav announcer team, because this is what you guys think is best for "boxing". And Oscar is going to argue against promoters/himself, FOR WHAT REASON. thats bad for his business, his business

Floyd may be the smartest businessman/boxer of all time. I have a lot of respect for him but not for the way he fought in the last few years of his career. Floyd ceased to be a fighter and that is the main reason he will never be #1 on the ATG list. Still he did the smart thing as he is very wealthy and still has his health and mental faculties.

[Hewito]

Don't just use spence compare him to GGG, Loma, Crawford , AJ, Charlo, Mickey, Thurman, Garcia, Porter, any of today's boxers.

We are literally talking about Spence here.

[Jimmy gold]

Or, maybe he isn't!

He is a hype job facts

[Gpabrooklyn]

Some of you guys sound really dumb,your talking about spence need a promoter and saying things like look at crawford and loma,news flash spence sells more tickets thans both of them,spence just put 12000 people in brooklyn and texas,when have crawford or loma done that?crawford can barley put 8000 people in his hometown,alot of you guys dont no how the busniess side of boxing works you just talk like you do,if you the saw the check spence got saturday night you would understand why he dont wanna promoter,his purse was only 1.2 million but he made alot more off the gate and selling his own merchandise and he did not have to split that with nobody,some of you guys need to just be fans,cause you sound ****** talking about what another man needs

[Gpabrooklyn]

And for the record all the pbc guys make more money than what they purses say,crawford got 3 million for the jeff horn fight,but after taxes and arum taking his cut he probably barely got 2 million,no gate,no merchandise no back end money period,just that flat fee,pbc guys get to keep all they backend money untaxed,thats why broner and showtime laughed at eddie hearns offer,you guys need to learn how boxing works and stop talking out your ass

[Motorcity Cobra]

HA, that's a hell of a spin! The ONLY reason Deontay has a potential PPV coming up is because of the Biggest draw in boxing in AJ, who is promoted by Hearn

And the reason why Spence has a PPV coming up is he might be fighting Crawford, who is promoted by Arum, what a coincidence that there's a promoter on the other end of both fights.

Say what you want about Arum, I think he's scum too, but no doubt he's done a wonderful job promoting not only Crawford, but Loma as well on ESPN the last year.

More and more casual fans seen these two fighters because promoters have long term plans and ideas right than short term like Haymon does.

He has done a good job with Lomachenko but he's nowhere near PPV ready. The only PPV fight he has on the horizon is Mikey Garcia, another Haymon fighter. Putting Crawford on HBO PPV against Postol is not a good job. Putting Crawford on ESPN + is not a good job. Not getting Crawford the Pacquiao fight is not a good job. He's giving that fight to Lomachenko instead

It's not spin it's the truth.