Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Responds To Errol Spence's Stance on Promoters

[Motorcity Cobra]

Stop acting like Wilder is a PPV star. It's Anthony Joshua. Wilder won't have a PPV fight against anyone else if it's not AJ.

I'm going by Eddie's word. The UK boxing scene is overrated. All domestic fights. You don't see GGG, Lomachenko, Kovalev, Bivol, and other foreigners going to Eddie Hearn to be built in the UK. They all come to America to make it here.

[BoZz]

spence is fraud anyway who the fu** would wanna sign that bum....not one champion has he beat and he thinks he's top sh**....keep fighting unknown bums you ducker

[BDG]

We are literally talking about Spence here.

But you are talking about how boxers need a promoter. I read the article and it didn't just say Spence needs one. It says that boxers need one to become PPV stars so I said use all of the boxer and make a valid point.

[Ake-Dawg]

I didn't miss shít, it just went over your head by a mile and you're making personal excuses for Spence. I listed a side by side comparison for 6 years and a comparitive list of up until 28 years of age. Top Rank put Oscar into great fights. Spence ain't fought nobody and you can make up all the excuses in the world you want, but it's not going to change anything. Spence needs a promoter, the end. He's not making great fights on his own. He's making checks, yay great for him and his family. But I want to see good fights, not this Ocampo bullshít.

Oscar's first 19 fights were at 135, 3 fights at 140, and 12 fights at 147 by the time he hit 28. That's 3 weight classes.

Spence been fighting at 147 and a few showings at 154 but really weird weights of 147½. You say there is a lack of stars, I disagree because he's been hovering at 147. In comparison he should be at 160 by now and cleaned out 147, 154, and getting started at 160. That's how modern great fighters operate. They move up in weights and kick áss along the way.

Truth is, Spence hasn't fought anybody real yet.

And to tell the truth, Oscar beats the brakes off Spence at 147. Oscar has lived a tumultuous life, but he was a great fighter who could box and brawl. Spence is a one trick pony, come forward, no lateral movement, no defense. Ocampo was landing a lot of punches he shouldn't have and if he wouldn't have gotten stopped at the very end of the round I would have scored the round for Ocampo.

Against cans, he's smashing them to bits, but lets see him against someone real. Even though he mashed Brook he looked relatively lacklustre doing it. I don't buy the over the pond nerves excuse one bit.

Lets look at someone who has been handled properly by a promoter: Canelo.

Canelo started at 140, now at 160 and has beat a lot of really good fighters along the way. And psst, guess what? He's 27 years old. He has a promoter, a great promoter and been against some great fighters.

Jose Cotto
Baldomir
Ndou
Matt Hatton
Ryan Rhodes
Alfonso Gomez
Kermit Cintron
Shane Mosely
Josesito Lopez
Austin Trout
Mayweather
Angulo
Lara
Kirkland
Miguel Cotto
Khan
Chavez Jr
GGG

Ward was another mishandled fighter. I don't rate guys that stay in one class (168) and fight dirty as fùck. He only got paydays against Kovalev due to a fly-by-night promoter wannabe outfit who overpaid him hoping it would pay dividends --- which it didn't. Not sure how Ward is relevent to this discusion at all.

In the last 3 years, who was Spence supposed to fight that were the caliber and popularity of the 6 opponents you mentioned for DLH. Also, you arbitrarily declared that he should be fighting at 160 when the guy who cleaned out 160 over the last 3 years isn't a big ppv star and has a promoter. Has context lost its value.

[toff]

I just don't see how Spence would be doing any better under GBP then he is by himself.

Unless you consider sharing you money doing better.

[mvooom]

I didn't miss shít, it just went over your head by a mile and you're making personal excuses for Spence. I listed a side by side comparison for 6 years and a comparitive list of up until 28 years of age. Top Rank put Oscar into great fights. Spence ain't fought nobody and you can make up all the excuses in the world you want, but it's not going to change anything. Spence needs a promoter, the end. He's not making great fights on his own. He's making checks, yay great for him and his family. But I want to see good fights, not this Ocampo bullshít.

Oscar's first 19 fights were at 135, 3 fights at 140, and 12 fights at 147 by the time he hit 28. That's 3 weight classes.

Spence been fighting at 147 and a few showings at 154 but really weird weights of 147½. You say there is a lack of stars, I disagree because he's been hovering at 147. In comparison he should be at 160 by now and cleaned out 147, 154, and getting started at 160. That's how modern great fighters operate. They move up in weights and kick áss along the way.

Truth is, Spence hasn't fought anybody real yet.

And to tell the truth, Oscar beats the brakes off Spence at 147. Oscar has lived a tumultuous life, but he was a great fighter who could box and brawl. Spence is a one trick pony, come forward, no lateral movement, no defense. Ocampo was landing a lot of punches he shouldn't have and if he wouldn't have gotten stopped at the very end of the round I would have scored the round for Ocampo.

Against cans, he's smashing them to bits, but lets see him against someone real. Even though he mashed Brook he looked relatively lacklustre doing it. I don't buy the over the pond nerves excuse one bit.

Lets look at someone who has been handled properly by a promoter: Canelo.

Canelo started at 140, now at 160 and has beat a lot of really good fighters along the way. And psst, guess what? He's 27 years old. He has a promoter, a great promoter and been against some great fighters.

Jose Cotto
Baldomir
Ndou
Matt Hatton
Ryan Rhodes
Alfonso Gomez
Kermit Cintron
Shane Mosely
Josesito Lopez
Austin Trout
Mayweather
Angulo
Lara
Kirkland
Miguel Cotto
Khan
Chavez Jr
GGG

Ward was another mishandled fighter. I don't rate guys that stay in one class (168) and fight dirty as fùck. He only got paydays against Kovalev due to a fly-by-night promoter wannabe outfit who overpaid him hoping it would pay dividends --- which it didn't. Not sure how Ward is relevent to this discusion at all.

Again you missed it.

Canelo is hyped up as the new son of Mexico but you can't name another GB fighter that is a PPV star. Hey you can't even name any other fighter apart from AJ that is a PPV star.

Promoters are great but with Spence, he can't be a PPV star no matter which promoter he is with except he changes his character or some superstar enemy comes along.

As your list of fighters go, who can Spence fight? Canelo got most of the big name fights like Cotto, Mosley cuz he was fighting under Floyd's card which made him popular then he fought floyd, add that to the whole Mexico son ish.

Where are the other fighters with promoters? None of them are PPV stars not even GGG who has been linked to Canelo and Cotto even Froch.

Ward came on because of his character, similar to Spence and Crawford. Very tough for those kind of guys without a country backing or big name enemy to make it as a PPV star.

A fighter like Broner or Khan? Yes. With their mouths, they just need a promoter who would give them perfect match making.

[Hewito]

But you are talking about how boxers need a promoter. I read the article and it didn't just say Spence needs one. It says that boxers need one to become PPV stars so I said use all of the boxer and make a valid point.

Only time will tells us who is right. Lets see who becomes a faster PPV star, Spence, or any of the fighters that have a promoter.

[FLY TY]

Spence has been a pro for 6 years roughly so lets look at a side-by-side comparison of 6 years in the pro game for Spence aand Oscar.


Oscar De La Hoya:
Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Julio Cesar Chavez 2x
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Wilfredo Rivera

Errol Spence Jr.
Chris van Heerden
Chris Algieri
Kell Brook
Lamont Peterson

Spence turned pro late at 22 and is 28 now so lets flash forward to who else Oscar fought by the time he was 28.

Ike Quartey
Oba Carr
Felix Trinidad
Shane Mosely
Arturo Gatti
Castillejo

It's pretty clear Spence is being mishandled. The reason why Oscar is a legend is because he had a good promoter that made great fights. Spence has a few years left before he starts declining.

I think a better comparison would be comparing Spence to Canelo, since Oscar's basis for wanting Spence to sign with him, is the fact that Canelo is making "so much money."

Spence is 24 fights into his pro career, and has made millions each of his last 3 fights.

Canelo was fighting guys like Raul Pinzon, in dirty casino's in Miami, and wasn't making a tenth of what Spence is making 24 fights in.

[Jsmooth9876]

Crawford made 3 million his last fight. Spence made 1.25..
Maybe signing with a promoter would be best for his pockets

[FLY TY]

Crawford made 3 million his last fight. Spence made 1.25..
Maybe signing with a promoter would be best for his pockets

Spence also got a back-end check because Man Down was a co-promoter....so maybe not.