Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Responds To Errol Spence's Stance on Promoters

[super-x]

Spence has boxed twice in 13 months since winning the title, a young hungry champ like him should be boxing every 4 months and Increasing popularity and Stardom with every outing, I think Spence is settling for similar figure pay days for every fight. Something he shouldnt be doing due to his talent and star potential.

[Butch.McRae]

So everybody posting about the need for promoters are going to act like the top two p4p guys don't have a promoter and can't sell anything?

Both Loma and Crawford have won belts across three divisions and still aren't PPV fighters.

Both are 30 btw.

Loma couldn't even sell 10k tickets against Linares. Crawford has not sold a solid amount of tickets outside of Omaha. We all know what happened when they tried to put Bud on PPV.

In the history of the sport, there's been about 12 or so true PPV stars.

So tell me again. What exactly is so special about having a promoter? Almost all guys never get past the $2 million pay day.

Both Spence and Wilder are due to be in the biggest fights in the sport soon. So tell why do they need promoters again?

Just a little interesting fact: Floyd fought in his first PPV at the age of 28 in 2005. Went on to become the highest grossing fighter of all time.

I think Spence is just fine at only 28 years old.

[Pennsauken1]

Beat it chump!!!!

[Pennsauken1]

Promoters rob you, when you get to the end of your career, they then feed you to the wolves, a lot of fighters end up broke and then the promoter acts like he never knew you and throws you to the curb

[Butch.McRae]

Not every fighter needs a promoter and sometimes a bad promoter is more a detriment than not having a promoter at all.

In regards to Oscar's comments he clearly is biased but it doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. A good promoter can do wonders for a fighters career. It not just about promoting a fighter it's about the relationships that promoter has with other people in the business. It's not what you know but who you know right.

For example, Whyte was in a tricky situation before he secured a PPV fight with Hearn against Parker. You think Whyte, one would of been mandatory for 2 sanctioning bodies without Hearn and two could of made the Parker fight so quickly had he not already built a good working relationship with Parker and Higgins? Plus without Hearns relationship with SKY do you think this would of been PPV?

As for Spence he has Haymon to do the managerial side of things and he has Haymon's relationship with Showtime to ensure he has a platform to perform on. Question is does he want to keep doing what he is doing or become a bigger star? If he's happy just having a belt, making a few mill per fight and living in relative anonymity then he doesn't need to change a thing.

But if Spence wants to be a big star on PPV making 8 figures then Haymon alone won't be enough. Haymon's PBC project has now been established for over 3 years now and not a single fighter of his has become a genuine star.

Spence by nature is a quiet and unassuming man, not the type to grab the lime light, he'll either need a popular big name opponent to build a fan base on or he'll need a big promotional push which is lacking so far in his career. When you look at how GGG and Loma have been promoted in recent years you can literally see the difference in how their image is created in the media, Golovkin was the HBO monster at middleweight, Loma while a work in progress from the start was hyped as the new P4P king, Spence in comparison has existed in the shadows in comparison.

GGG just fought in ftont of 6k people for like $1 million lol he's not some PPV star at all. HBO didn't even want to pay for the card lol you guys come posting stuff without knowing your history.

Questions: How old was Floyd when he made his debut on PPV? Up to that point, what was his highest purse?

[Ake-Dawg]

The value of the promoter USED to be connections. The promoter had the TV connections to get you exposure. The promoter had the sponsorship connections to get you deals outside of boxing. Nowadays, you don't need a promoter for that. You can create your own market demand. That's what Mayweather did. He created a demand to see him lose. He was fortunate to have several other skillful welterweights available to facilitate that demand. Right now, there are only a handful of welterweights to help Spence in that regard and one of them is currently more interested in being one with nature and playing the flute than making money as a prize fighter.

He doesn't need a promoter, he just needs a worthy opponent. Crawford is that guy, and their moment will occur in the next 18 months.

[methodcal]

Good points by Oscar. Spence should be a big star. So should Wilder. Al Haymon is holding these guys back.

Lol Al is showing you how to get paid pretty dam descent without a promoter. Besides didn't MDP promote this fight. Sounds like he's not seeking the fame. What's the gripe about?

[v.cassiusali@ya]

If Spence believe he can promote himself so be it. Its his right to get a promoter or not.

[MC Hammer]

Good points by Oscar. Spence should be a big star. So should Wilder. Al Haymon is holding these guys back.

Name one of Oscar's black fighters that gets televised fights. Hell GB had all of the Haymon squad and they got no shine until they left. Also, Jojo Diaz turned pro with Spence, same Olympic team as well. Who's career is progressing better than the other?

[MC Hammer]

One thing about signing to promoter's is they have limited time, resources and budgets meaning if you aren't top priority you get none of the benefits. Loma, and TC are top at TR, they get love, but Gilberto Ramirez's and others get nothing really.

Canelo is GB's only selling point and he was built during the glory (Shaeffer) days. Jojo Diaz, Linares and the others don't really get much and there is a reason Oscar didn't mention their names in his little rebuttal.

I agree for a new fighter it makes sense because he will need to build hid name somehow, but then again Devin Haney is moving along at the same rate as Garcia and Shakur and he self promotes as well.

The value in promoters is really diminishing as boxing became more niche and social media gave fighters direct access for networks to scout their own talent