Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Responds To Errol Spence's Stance on Promoters

[efreng]

Whether people think de la hoya is desperate or what he has a good point the top 2 pound for pound fighters in the world crawford and lomachenko are not ppv stars look at crawfords last ppv against postol they were very low, loma wont put up big numbers either, ggg ppv numbers also low and the world is always on his nuts spence has the ability to make huge money and be a ppv star and but he is really hurting himself without a promoter he is fighting for chump change compared to what he could be making considering he is thought of as one of the best which he is, everyone always hates on canelo and what not but there is no denying that he puts up huge numbers no matter who he fights and gets PAID lots of money.

[efreng]

PPV is where the money is at.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Some of you guys sound really dumb,your talking about spence need a promoter and saying things like look at crawford and loma,news flash spence sells more tickets thans both of them,spence just put 12000 people in brooklyn and texas,when have crawford or loma done that?crawford can barley put 8000 people in his hometown,alot of you guys dont no how the busniess side of boxing works you just talk like you do,if you the saw the check spence got saturday night you would understand why he dont wanna promoter,his purse was only 1.2 million but he made alot more off the gate and selling his own merchandise and he did not have to split that with nobody,some of you guys need to just be fans,cause you sound ****** talking about what another man needs

Lomachenko has had 12 fights, and put like 10,000+ against Linares in NYC. Plus, that fight produced the highest cable ratings for any boxing event in 2018 so far. Loma's been getting paid very well since he became a pro. He's definitely made more than Spence at this point, and that's in 12 fights...


Also, Crawford put 12,000 against Indongo. 11,000 vs. Gamboa. 11,300 vs. Beltran, and so forth. He's been getting paid pretty well for a good portion of his career, too.

We'll never know how well Spence would be doing with a promoter, but let's not forget, since 2016 Spence has fought 5 times, Crawford has fought 6, and Lomachenko has fought 6 times. 1 fight difference is a lot of money, regardless.

[slickrick9783]

Remember the time De La Hoya thought he had all Al Haymon's fighters signed to Golden Boy?
😂😂😂
And now you got advice to give... smh #droolingoverTheTruth

[mvooom]

Nah son, you're moving the fùcking goal posts with this PPV garbage. Look at my original post.




Do you see the word PPV anywhere in that post? No, so don't be moving the goal post. I'm not even sure I said PPV in this entire thread. If you want to debate, stick to the topic. Don't switch it up and say I missed it.

I'll have a look at some data and kick another field goal into your moved goal post, but I'm really having a hard time finding info on PPV buys by year so we'll come back to that later.

The meat on the bone here is Spence is fighting garbage opponents and is being mishandled. Reiterating, by the time Oscar was at this point in his career of years pro and years of age as previously indicated, his level of opposition was leagues beyond where Spence is at.

The reason why Oscar had so many great fights by this point is because he was being PROMOTED by TOP RANK.

The reason why Canelo has fought so many great opponents is because he's being PROMOTED by GBP.

We're all on the same team here and want to see good fights. The only difference is I'm throwig touchdowns and you're throwing pom poms. I want to see Spence against great opponents. I've been watching Spence for 8-9 years since the Am's and been hyping this kid up. Cats are like, who's that namsayin?

He's been pro long enough and needs to get off the bum of the month club.

... And fight who? I already asked you this. Who should Spence fight? Where is Spence's JCC or Pernel W? They don't exist in this climate.

The goal post is exactly where it has been, you just kept missing.

You mentioned a bunch of fighters for De la hoya. To me it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought those caliber of fighters and being as big as de le Hoya.

Then you soften it to Canelo. Again it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought the same caliber of fighters and being as big as Canelo.

You even went as far as saying Spence should be at 160. Do you want to see him killed? We all like a good fight but some of us are being realistic.

A better comparison that would have brought less resistance would have been Spence and Crawford.

TR couldn't get Pacquaio for Crawford, they can't get him to fight Garcia, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Khan.... All these are fights that will sky rocket his stock. Crawford and Spence are on the same boat, Crawford just has a slightly better view.

GGG and Rigo have been with promoters. They are also very good fighters, yet most avoided fighters a few years ago.

Fighting good opposition is not as easy as you think. First, those JCC type opposition's don't exist and the ones that do don't want to fight you. Someone was recently offered $50mill pls PPV upside and that was still turned down.

Throwing history and stats into your argument don't suddenly mean you are right even if you don't use it right.

[N/A]

The meat on the bone here is Spence is fighting garbage opponents and is being mishandled.

Spence is making more money than any of the other champions in his weight class.

How exactly is he being mishandled? If you think he's fighting "garbage" opponents, and he's still making more money, that would mean he's being handled brilliantly.

[omh]

... And fight who? I already asked you this. Who should Spence fight? Where is Spence's JCC or Pernel W? They don't exist in this climate.

The goal post is exactly where it has been, you just kept missing.

You mentioned a bunch of fighters for De la hoya. To me it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought those caliber of fighters and being as big as de le Hoya.

Then you soften it to Canelo. Again it meant, if Spence was with a promoter he would have fought the same caliber of fighters and being as big as Canelo.

You even went as far as saying Spence should be at 160. Do you want to see him killed? We all like a good fight but some of us are being realistic.

A better comparison that would have brought less resistance would have been Spence and Crawford.

TR couldn't get Pacquaio for Crawford, they can't get him to fight Garcia, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Khan.... All these are fights that will sky rocket his stock. Crawford and Spence are on the same boat, Crawford just has a slightly better view.

GGG and Rigo have been with promoters. They are also very good fighters, yet most avoided fighters a few years ago.

Fighting good opposition is not as easy as you think. First, those JCC type opposition's don't exist and the ones that do don't want to fight you. Someone was recently offered $50mill pls PPV upside and that was still turned down.

Throwing history and stats into your argument don't suddenly mean you are right even if you don't use it right.

Spence missed a big opportunity not fighting cotto the media would of hyped him up instead Ali fought him and won and mungia crushed him and is getting all the hype.

Spence vs Canelo can marinate till 2020-2021 just in time for the new raiders stadium in vegas

[TJ highway]

spence is fraud anyway who the fu** would wanna sign that bum....not one champion has he beat and he thinks he's top sh**....keep fighting unknown bums you ducker

LOL! Did you see the Ocampo fight?

Did you see the devastating kidney punch he delivered to Ocampo.

Watch the first shoot delivered! Don't blink or you will miss it!

[Ake-Dawg]

Anybody with a pulse? Lets not bring other fightrers into the discussion. Weak deflection on your part. Speaking of context eh? Don't bounce around, stick to the topic. What about this guy, what about that guy, fùck those guys, lets talk about THIS guy.

Don't get it twisted, I like Spence, I'm just saying he's being mishandled.

Despite blue chip posts with solid data/sources you guys get so butthurt if someone doesn't slurp your mans nuts.

Why are y'all so deeply invested to the point of lunacy? Y'all related to Spence or something? Shít is annoying.

Don't suck your own d*ck bro. Your posts aren't blue chip. The article is about promoters making fighters ppv stars. You tried the angle of DLH becoming a ppv by fighting stiff comp. I said Spence doesn't have that opportunity and asked you to name equivalent fighters to DLH opponents. There is nothing blue chip about drawing a nonexistent parallel to make an obtuse argument that doesn't even align with the article. Promoters mishandle fighters so why make the point? Then again, you claim Spence is mishandled yet can't close the loop with an explanation deeper than he should fight someone with a pulse. So now Brook, Peterson, and Algieri don't have pulses?

[markther]

As usual Oscar is only sharing partial truths. And I get it, he like a lot of promoters today want to sign a free agent like Spence to their promotional stable. But here is a great article to educate a lot of boxing fans on the business and financial side of things. And why a guy like Al Haymon carved out a nice niche for himself representing fighters.

https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/boxing-promoter.htm