Comments Thread For: Crawford: Horn Tougher To Fight Than It Looks From the Outside

[Boxing-1013]

At world level he has no talent - he is athletic, has a good chin and he's courageous in that he'll take 2 punches to get one in. If Pac could have Horn teetering in the ninth then Crawford will achieve it much earlier.

Jeez, sometimes I think there are trolls on here building up Horn so that more praise falls on Crawford. At a golden division like WW this is about as easy of a title match that you can get.

not saying you are a troll - just saying I totally don't rate Horn when he is up against top 3 P4P in his prime and not on his home turf.

I mean, Horn did make the Olympics and won two matches there. If you can box amateur style, you can box and have skills. I had never seen Horn fight until against Pac but I thought he fought well.

Personally I think Horn was tired in the 9th round, I don't think he was really hurt. Usually if a guy is hurt, especially late in the fight, he is dropped and also the next round is kind of a give up round. The 10th was pretty clearly a Horn round as Pac was punched out and Horn looked fine in there.

I hear ya though, I'm not trolling but there are a lot of trolls on here so it's hard to distinguish between it sometimes. I don't really rate Horn at all, I don't know much about him. Just from what I did see against Pac (and know about his amateur experience) I think this fight on paper is similar to Loma/Linares, Lara/Hurd and Pac/Horn.

I thought the more skilled guy won the first two fights, but they were close, as the bigger man was able to neutralize the skills at various points. I thought Horn did enough to win against Manny. And I know you are frustrated with what you consider to be trolling, but I likewise get frustrated whenever I see people say Manny was robbed. I had no dog in that fight and I was expecting a Pac dominant victory. Horn showed me he was a good fighter that day.

I agree that Horn's dirty tactics may have been allowed more than they should have since it was in Australia, but I like a little dirty fighting so it didn't bother me much.

All I know about Crawford is that going into the Postol fight most were seeing it as a 50-50 fight, and Crawford apparently dominated the fight (never really watched it). Most people thought Indongo would be a tough fight for him and Crawford easily outclassed him.

If Crawford is able to dominate and stop Horn in the early to middle round I will be very impressed. That is all I'm saying. I think he should be a slight favorite but he is coming up 7 pounds in weight. P4P he is probably above Horn's class, but the 3 fights I mentioned earlier shows what happens when a guy, no matter how talented, moves up in weight and faces a bigger man.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Part and parcel of the home town decision was Horn getting away with wrestling moves. Let's see him try that in a USA jurisdiction, he'll be at risk of disqualification or dropping a couple points from warnings.

The ref in this fight is Robert Byrd.

Robert Byrd was very recently reffing Ward/Kovalev 1.

You know what happened in Ward/Kovalev 1?


Some of you people really need to quit with this whole "hometown" BS. Horn won because the ref - who was NOT Australian - allowed Horn to get physical. Guess what that means? It means Manny is ******, because he should have gotten just as physical instead of whining about it and getting thrown around.

Yes he was allowed to throw Pac around by an incompetent/corrupt ref. He won't be allowed to do that next weekend.

Robert Byrd will tell.

[landotter]

"...over Horn, who upset Manny Pacquiao nearly 11 months ago to win the WBO welterweight title."

This kind of crap is irritating. MP has a loss on his record. A loss is a loss and as time goes by all the details get washed out of the conversation. To my mind this was no upset and Horn got a cooked hometown decision. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative of this writer with this story. Crawford should likely be an even bigger favorite.

I don't think it matters for this story. Your point about the details being lost is fair, but when all is said and done Manny Pacquiao is a Hall of Fame inductee five years to the day of his retirement. He will be revered, and is an arguable top 50 all time fighter and among this generations best.

Jeff Horn is a legit fighter, I guess. But he will be forgotten and no one will care even a little that he got a nice home cooking decision.

[landotter]

The only real questions:

Can Crawford stop a legit 147 fighter, or has he moved up one class too many?

If he can't, how does he handle a bull rush of a boxer naturally bigger than him?

I am leaning to a wide decision win with Crawford seriously hurting Horn as he turns that aggressiveness against him and picks him apart. I just can't see Crawford bringing a ton of power with him in his first fight at 147. I think he will get stronger as he adjusts his training, but this is a great first fight for him to see where he is. Horn is just plain not naturally skilled enough to beat a fighter of Crawford's skill level in his prime. If Horn can stay on his feet and go the distance, he will get a couple extra paydays and maybe even a Pacquiao rematch. So, even if he does lose he can win. There are legit interesting storylines in this fight.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Oh right here we go..let me guess horn is underrated now. Everyone is underrated on Crawford's cv apparently

The question isn't whether he's underrated, but people on here have two excuses:

"Manny's washed up/shot" (despite being FRESH off dominant, decisive victories against prime Vargas and Bradley)

"Horn got a hometown decision" (despite NONE of the judges nor the ref being Australian)

It's all excuses to hide the simple fact: Manny got bullied by a school teacher. Period point blank.

Now, the question we need to answer: Crawford has never been in the ring with a true bully. Hank Lundy was the closest, but Lundy was undersized for that role.

Ricky Burns, even fighting ******, took Crawford the distance.

Gamboa, a guy who has a ("LACK OF FUNDAMENTALS!!!!" -- Teddy Atlas) and questionable power, Bambi'd Crawford off of an exchange and had him on the backfoot the remainder of the round.

Every other opponent he's faced has not engaged him with vigor and they got picked apart surgically.

Truth is we don't know how solid Crawford is against a guy who's not afraid to walk through punches to land their own - and we don't know how Crawford will take those punches given what happened against Gamboa. We just don't know. Plus it's a totally different weight class. We don't know if Crawford's power will go up with him.

What we DO know, is that Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn stopped two quality fighters and unanimously decisioned a guy who had only ever been decisioned by two of the best to ever lace up gloves.

That's not Horn being underrated. That's Crawford being as-yet untested.

[mathed]

Look what Pac did to Horn's face....dude's corner was threatening to stop the fight in the 9th rd, let's try not to forget that. Horn will be the bigger guy, but also the slower guy, the guy with inferior technique ane wide punches.

Bud will tag him with crushing power shots every single rd until Horn's face starts to come apart. His aggressive, rough style will not work in his favor AT ALL. It will likely take Bud a rd or two to get a bead on Horn but once that happens, it'll be a field day for him. Horn's corner tosses in the towel in the 8th or earlier.

[Corelone]

Look what Pac did to Horn's face....dude's corner was threatening to stop the fight in the 9th rd, let's try not to forget that. Horn will be the bigger guy, but also the slower guy, the guy with inferior technique ane wide punches.

Bud will tag him with crushing power shots every single rd until Horn's face starts to come apart. His aggressive, rough style will not work in his favor AT ALL. It will likely take Bud a rd or two to get a bead on Horn but once that happens, it'll be a field day for him. Horn's corner tosses in the towel in the 8th or earlier.

That's what I think too. The jaw might hold up better than the eye.TC is a sharp shooter, not likely Horn gets his face out of the way. TKO by some sort of deforming injury.

[slimPickings]

How long have you been following boxing? Crawford just like all other boxers. You show respect when th efight is made, then you trash talk deep and dirty until about 2 weeks before a fight and then you switch with feint praise so that you at least get some credit when you win.

Sound alien to you? Just go back to Mayweather and McGregor - even Mayweather talked up McGregor a little. GGG talked up Vanes. Get the picture now?

Any body who thinks this will be an easy fight will need to have their head examined.

On paper, Bud wins.

The reality is it will not be an easy fight and in that respect i agree with TC.

And I am a big fan of TC and Horn simply because he seems to get no respect.

"Fans" simply cannot let go of his mishandling and beating of Manny ( an all time great), so are hoping TC puts him in his place.

Life/boxing does not work that way.

This is TC's audition in the WW division and he is going up against a tough, awkward and rugged customer.

It.will.not.be.an.easy.fight!!
TC is aware of this and is acknowledging as much. Good for him.

And those two examples you cite are silly at best.

[Shape up]

The question isn't whether he's underrated, but people on here have two excuses:

"Manny's washed up/shot" (despite being FRESH off dominant, decisive victories against prime Vargas and Bradley)

"Horn got a hometown decision" (despite NONE of the judges nor the ref being Australian)

It's all excuses to hide the simple fact: Manny got bullied by a school teacher. Period point blank.

Now, the question we need to answer: Crawford has never been in the ring with a true bully. Hank Lundy was the closest, but Lundy was undersized for that role.

Ricky Burns, even fighting ******, took Crawford the distance.

Gamboa, a guy who has a ("LACK OF FUNDAMENTALS!!!!" -- Teddy Atlas) and questionable power, Bambi'd Crawford off of an exchange and had him on the backfoot the remainder of the round.

Every other opponent he's faced has not engaged him with vigor and they got picked apart surgically.

Truth is we don't know how solid Crawford is against a guy who's not afraid to walk through punches to land their own - and we don't know how Crawford will take those punches given what happened against Gamboa. We just don't know. Plus it's a totally different weight class. We don't know if Crawford's power will go up with him.

What we DO know, is that Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn stopped two quality fighters and unanimously decisioned a guy who had only ever been decisioned by two of the best to ever lace up gloves.

That's not Horn being underrated. That's Crawford being as-yet untested.

Great post, I think this will be a much harder assignment for Crawford than most people think, horn never stood still vs pac so you take chances trying to land on fighters like that

[paulf]

Crawford is trying to keep the right mindset. Horn is a big motherfucker that hits hard and can obviously take a hell of a punch and come back for more. It's a tall order for anyone moving up in weight.

He saw what happened when Manny underestimated Horn.