Comments Thread For: Crawford: Horn Tougher To Fight Than It Looks From the Outside

[7not8]

Glad to see Crawford acknowledge that...I was impressed with how Horn consistently avoided Pac's left hand by moving to his left, especially early. He has some skills. Should be a good, tough close fight I think.

I like this response. I think that Crawford will will but I dont think it will be as easy as some people make it out to be. I'm ready for a good scrap!!

[SteveM]

I mean, Horn did make the Olympics and won two matches there. If you can box amateur style, you can box and have skills. I had never seen Horn fight until against Pac but I thought he fought well.

Personally I think Horn was tired in the 9th round, I don't think he was really hurt. Usually if a guy is hurt, especially late in the fight, he is dropped and also the next round is kind of a give up round. The 10th was pretty clearly a Horn round as Pac was punched out and Horn looked fine in there.

I hear ya though, I'm not trolling but there are a lot of trolls on here so it's hard to distinguish between it sometimes. I don't really rate Horn at all, I don't know much about him. Just from what I did see against Pac (and know about his amateur experience) I think this fight on paper is similar to Loma/Linares, Lara/Hurd and Pac/Horn.

I thought the more skilled guy won the first two fights, but they were close, as the bigger man was able to neutralize the skills at various points. I thought Horn did enough to win against Manny. And I know you are frustrated with what you consider to be trolling, but I likewise get frustrated whenever I see people say Manny was robbed. I had no dog in that fight and I was expecting a Pac dominant victory. Horn showed me he was a good fighter that day.

I agree that Horn's dirty tactics may have been allowed more than they should have since it was in Australia, but I like a little dirty fighting so it didn't bother me much.

All I know about Crawford is that going into the Postol fight most were seeing it as a 50-50 fight, and Crawford apparently dominated the fight (never really watched it). Most people thought Indongo would be a tough fight for him and Crawford easily outclassed him.

If Crawford is able to dominate and stop Horn in the early to middle round I will be very impressed. That is all I'm saying. I think he should be a slight favorite but he is coming up 7 pounds in weight. P4P he is probably above Horn's class, but the 3 fights I mentioned earlier shows what happens when a guy, no matter how talented, moves up in weight and faces a bigger man.

I can't see comparing Horn to Linares and Hurd. Sorry. Linares has elite skills. Hurd is undoubtedly huge at 154 but he also has a sizable skill set - that's just on my eye yest. He caught up with Lara (no easy feat) and got a lot of punches in. If Horn can pull a Hurd on Crawford I'll eat a huge slice of humble pie. He has a puncher's chance in this as Bud isn't tested at 147.
I like infighting but not dirty fighting. I can watch other sports
if I want to see wrestling/grappling/holding/elbowing.

[SteveM]

The ref in this fight is Robert Byrd. Robert Byrd was very recently reffing Ward/Kovalev 1.

You know what happened in Ward/Kovalev 1?

Some of you people really need to quit with this whole "hometown" BS. Horn won because the ref - who was NOT Australian - allowed Horn to get physical. Guess what that means? It means Manny is ******, because he should have gotten just as physical instead of whining about it and getting thrown around. Robert Byrd will tell.

Just because the ref is not actually from the hometown or the country doesn't mean he can't be incompetent/corrupt. I really dislike Byrd as a referee lately. I think he falls into the above category. Especially in Vegas. lol.

[SteveM]

I don't think it matters for this story. Your point about the details being lost is fair, but when all is said and done Manny Pacquiao is a Hall of Fame inductee five years to the day of his retirement. He will be revered, and is an arguable top 50 all time fighter and among this generations best.

Jeff Horn is a legit fighter, I guess. But he will be forgotten and no one will care even a little that he got a nice home cooking decision.

What matters and doesn't matter is subjective but for me Horn is 85% hype and 15% real. So there is no way in the world I can see Crawford getting much credit for a win here unless he blasts him out in the first couple of rounds. We'll see.

[SteveM]

Any body who thinks this will be an easy fight will need to have their head examined.

On paper, Bud wins.

The reality is it will not be an easy fight and in that respect i agree with TC.

And I am a big fan of TC and Horn simply because he seems to get no respect.

"Fans" simply cannot let go of his mishandling and beating of Manny ( an all time great), so are hoping TC puts him in his place.

Life/boxing does not work that way.

This is TC's audition in the WW division and he is going up against a tough, awkward and rugged customer.

It.will.not.be.an.easy.fight!!
TC is aware of this and is acknowledging as much. Good for him.

And those two examples you cite are silly at best.

Not an easy fight? This is as easy as it gets for a belt imo. Lets see > Thats why they fight the fights.

Fans can't let go. I'm not a great fan of Pac - what he did between 2008 and 2010 was legendary. What pi55es me off in boxing more than anything else is poor reffing and judging. Pac suffered both in Brisbane. Horn is overrated on that dubious win.

Horn is "tough, awkward and rugged" ? can't argue with that but 99% of the time it's not enough against prime P4P boxers unless there's a dubious decision (not saying Pac was P4P in Brisbane).

Silly examples you say? Because they are true and undeniable? Wait until the last week before Tyson Fury and Sefari. Guarantee someone on team Fury will state that Sefari is 'dangerous' or similar.

[Ray*]

Yeah this isn’t going to be an easy fight, Horn was impressive against a faded Pacman and I thought he won that fight without any controversy. Let’s see how he doesn’t against Bud.

[King Jaffe Joffer]

"...over Horn, who upset Manny Pacquiao nearly 11 months ago to win the WBO welterweight title."

This kind of crap is irritating. MP has a loss on his record. A loss is a loss and as time goes by all the details get washed out of the conversation. To my mind this was no upset and Horn got a cooked hometown decision. Guess that doesn't fit the narrative of this writer with this story. Crawford should likely be an even bigger favorite.

I watched the fight but didn't score it. I remember Manny taking rounds off and fighting the 30 seconds of a lot of the rounds. You can't expect to win like that on the road. Horn was doing good work.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Just because the ref is not actually from the hometown or the country doesn't mean he can't be incompetent/corrupt. I really dislike Byrd as a referee lately. I think he falls into the above category. Especially in Vegas. lol.

Bro you're missing the point.

It's not about the ref. It's about the fighters in the ring. If the ref is letting your opponent get rough, do something back. Protect yourself. Why? Because you might as well at that point.

Paulie said it best. There are no clean fighters, it's about what you can get away with and that's how you win fights.

Remember Mayweather/Gatti? Floyd holds Arturo's head down, times a short hook perfectly just after letting go and before the ref says break, since he backed off before the ref spoke, he was able to leap in with another short hook for the knockdown. Perfectly legal.

All Manny had to do was throw a few low blows at Horn's Horn and he'd probably have been fine.

[SteveM]

Bro you're missing the point.

It's not about the ref. It's about the fighters in the ring. If the ref is letting your opponent get rough, do something back. Protect yourself. Why? Because you might as well at that point.

Paulie said it best. There are no clean fighters, it's about what you can get away with and that's how you win fights.

Remember Mayweather/Gatti? Floyd holds Arturo's head down, times a short hook perfectly just after letting go and before the ref says break, since he backed off before the ref spoke, he was able to leap in with another short hook for the knockdown. Perfectly legal.

All Manny had to do was throw a few low blows at Horn's Horn and he'd probably have been fine.

I see you're point and it's true BUT rules are rules. If we are gonna start breaking them in the ring how about out. sanchez complained about how Canelo wrapped his hands. Should Golovkin wrap the same? It's a slippery slope.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I see you're point and it's true BUT rules are rules. If we are gonna start breaking them in the ring how about out. sanchez complained about how Canelo wrapped his hands. Should Golovkin wrap the same? It's a slippery slope.

The goal is to win the fight, period. If that means you have to get rough to get your opponent off you and keep momentum, then you do it.

Case-in-point:

And Derrick Gainer won the fight. Ref wasn't stopping any of the low blows or dirty Norwood tactics, Gainer did what he had to do to defend himself, got the win.

It's a fight, man. You do what you need to do to get out of there.