Wilders performance against Ortiz was not impressive....

[Rubber Ducky]

Wilder is rarely impressive. He got his eye shut by Duhaupas, Molina rocked him, Szpilka was winning rounds despite being dwarfed, Washington was out boxing him just with his jab, so it shouldn't be a shock that when he stepped up vs Ortiz he struggled at times.

As you'd expect when stepping up Ortiz confirmed a lot of strengths and weaknesses in Wilder. Wilder obviously is not a very good boxer on the back foot, he is often disorganised when forced back, his jab clearly is only effective when he has a big reach advantage.

But Wilder did show he has legit power, he might very well be the biggest puncher in the division. But he's not a very effective puncher as he only has the right hand and he needs to be set to deliver it with any real power, but when he can load up on it, it's a cannon.

Wilder also showed he can be quite elusive in his own awkward way. He moves his head and upper body a lot, he may have no guard to speak of but that head movement makes him harder to get to than seems. But he can be feinted out of position, we saw Ortiz do that sometimes.

[Rip Chudd]

Wilder can't lose a decision in his hometown anyway, judges in his pocket.

The fight was in New York

[Rip Chudd]

I'd say the only thing impressive about it was his heart and showing he can take as well as he gives out punishment. Like ****m Richardson said "He is impressive because no matter who he fights, because of his late start to boxing every opponent he fights is technically better than him, and he is getting these guys out of there"

[just the facts]

Did i watch a different fight to everyone else? How on earth was that a great performance? Ortiz was 39 at the very youngest (mansour says he's 49), no world level wins (but he beat jennings doe), no-one knows if he's actually any good, and looked far from impressive in last couple of performances. Yet he outboxed the young champ for most the fight. And people are saying wilder proved he can take a shot? Excuse me? He brought the Harlem shake back into 2018 when Ortiz smacked him on the chin and it took a LONG time for him to recover with the ref employing the classic 'let's suddenly make sure the corners clean' act to buy him some more time. Yet people slaughter Joshua for beating a more proven/younger fighter and barely getting hit. But he don't want that work though!!!!! Funny how the boxing 'sweet scientists' don't give Joshua any credit for boxing and moving but they are suddenly infatuated with the crude puncher. Winning a decision means you were exposed now apparently, you have to lose most the rounds and land a hail Mary punch to impress on this forum. Keep up the agendas guys, been doing some fine work on this site recently.

Not to mention Wilder is both of the things you hate the most. Wilder is black and American.

[Curt Henning]

Wilder is rarely impressive. He got his eye shut by Duhaupas, Molina rocked him, Szpilka was winning rounds despite being dwarfed, Washington was out boxing him just with his jab, so it shouldn't be a shock that when he stepped up vs Ortiz he struggled at times.

As you'd expect when stepping up Ortiz confirmed a lot of strengths and weaknesses in Wilder. Wilder obviously is not a very good boxer on the back foot, he is often disorganised when forced back, his jab clearly is only effective when he has a big reach advantage.

But Wilder did show he has legit power, he might very well be the biggest puncher in the division. But he's not a very effective puncher as he only has the right hand and he needs to be set to deliver it with any real power, but when he can load up on it, it's a cannon.

Wilder also showed he can be quite elusive in his own awkward way. He moves his head and upper body a lot, he may have no guard to speak of but that head movement makes him harder to get to than seems. But he can be feinted out of position, we saw Ortiz do that sometimes.

i always kind of wondered though...if wilder being outboxed or dropping rounds isnt some sort of master gameplan of his.....because its happened many times but the fights all end the same....

it almost seems like hes willing to give things away in order to lull someone into a false sense of something....almost like hes just waiting for the perfect time to land a big right......it happens almost way too much for it to just be coincidence

[Madison Boxing]

Not to mention Wilder is both of the things you hate the most. Wilder is black and American.

why do i cheer on porter and hurd then you clown?

[Vinnykin]

i always kind of wondered though...if wilder being outboxed or dropping rounds isnt some sort of master gameplan of his.....because its happened many times but the fights all end the same....

it almost seems like hes willing to give things away in order to lull someone into a false sense of something....almost like hes just waiting for the perfect time to land a big right......it happens almost way too much for it to just be coincidence

I agree to a certain extent, I think he invites guys onto him so they open up for the right hand.... he can also move decent so he can create angles, but you always get the feeling he'#s looking to buzz someone and finish them quickly, it's exciting to watch for sure.

A lot of guys on here always say Wilder hits harder than Joshua, and his KO's would seem to suggest that.... but, if you analyse the fights, Wilder is catching guys coming in, operating back foot a lot, whereas Joshua's opponents tend to run and stick behind a guard, he just moves forward behind a jab and looking for the right hand, then finishes them with combo's.

Joshua forces guys back foot and takes away the ability to catch guys clean like Wilder does.

[Curt Henning]

I agree to a certain extent, I think he invites guys onto him so they open up for the right hand.... he can also move decent so he can create angles, but you always get the feeling he'#s looking to buzz someone and finish them quickly, it's exciting to watch for sure.

A lot of guys on here always say Wilder hits harder than Joshua, and his KO's would seem to suggest that.... but, if you analyse the fights, Wilder is catching guys coming in, operating back foot a lot, whereas Joshua's opponents tend to run and stick behind a guard, he just moves forward behind a jab and looking for the right hand, then finishes them with combo's.

Joshua forces guys back foot and takes away the ability to catch guys clean like Wilder does.

fair points

[Biolink]

Wilder is rarely impressive. He got his eye shut by Duhaupas, Molina rocked him, Szpilka was winning rounds despite being dwarfed, Washington was out boxing him just with his jab, so it shouldn't be a shock that when he stepped up vs Ortiz he struggled at times.

As you'd expect when stepping up Ortiz confirmed a lot of strengths and weaknesses in Wilder. Wilder obviously is not a very good boxer on the back foot, he is often disorganised when forced back, his jab clearly is only effective when he has a big reach advantage.

But Wilder did show he has legit power, he might very well be the biggest puncher in the division. But he's not a very effective puncher as he only has the right hand and he needs to be set to deliver it with any real power, but when he can load up on it, it's a cannon.

Wilder also showed he can be quite elusive in his own awkward way. He moves his head and upper body a lot, he may have no guard to speak of but that head movement makes him harder to get to than seems. But he can be feinted out of position, we saw Ortiz do that sometimes.

I disagree with just this part. The shot that rocked Ortiz and started it all was a short crisp right hand Wilder landed while backing up.

At 27:20

Cant really see it, but you should get the picture. He's definitely dangerous from more than 1 platform

[Vinnykin]

fair points

What's interesting is Wilder's method is tailored to Joshua's come-forward style. I believe AJ is the better boxer all-round, but that literally makes no difference when Wilder has his cannon right hand and his finishing ability when he lands it. Joshua needs to finish him early, Wilder is always dangerous, just needs to land once and you know he will go 100% for the finish.

I wish they would make this fight soon, I get butterfly's just thinking about it.