Comments Thread For: Hearn: How Did WBC Order Whyte-Ortiz, Wilder-Breazeale Next?

[Ake-Dawg]

Again, I don’t want to get into this Joshua/Wilder thing. This is about Whyte as the number 1 mando. Just because they have the same promoter doesn’t mean nothing. They aren’t twins.

I agree partially. It's definitely something to think about though.

[Ray*]

Right, but I had to hear about it from somewhere and I've never talked to Breazeale in my life.

Here is the official WBC schedule from that week, which clearly lists the fight as a FINAL eliminator:

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/954...the-week311017

So why do you think it was some sort of secret when it was clearly stated publicly?

But he should have known the answer six months ago.

#2 is getting the shot over #1 because #2 is the guy that won a final eliminator and winning a final eliminator is how you get a title shot, not being ranked #1.

Hearn has no room to complain here because he just promoted a fight where Povetkin, who was already mandatory, was allowed to fight an additional final eliminator to risk his position against David Price. No different than Stiverne, who was already mandatory, being allowed to fight an additional final eliminator to risk his position.

The difference is that Ortiz flunked a test, Stiverne was moved to the main event, leaving Breazeale out in the cold. But at that point, Breazeale was legally entitled to a final eliminator, so the WBC went through the rankings and gave the fight to the highest ranked available guy.

Whyte could have pulled out of the Helenius fight to take the fight, but chose not to. I don't blame him. But the best the WBC can do at that point is give Whyte the next final eliminator, which is what they've done.

The outrage from the UK fans here stems from the fact that Hearn has misled them for six months. Hearn knew Whyte would have to fight a final eliminator. But Hearn has tried to trick the UK fans into believing Whyte had a guaranteed shot against Wilder when he knew that wasn't true.

There's nothing su****ious about it. Breazeale won a final eliminator on November 4.

Wilder fought his mandatory November 4.

Their mandatory fight isn't due yet, but you don't have to wait until the maximum deadline to fight your mandatory. If AJ won't fight Wilder, Wilder might as well get his mandatory out of the way.

When this happened last October, we all got a press release from the WBC that said Breazeale v Molina was a 'final eliminator'. I chased that up with them and was told this was a "mistake" and it was just an 'eliminator'. Now they're saying it wasn't. Gotta love boxing. pic.twitter.com/3Fpe7FPKQj

— Michael Benson (@MichaelBensonn) April 24, 2018

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So the WBC made an error in this email to this Journalist (Michael Benson)? Because he was NOT the only person that query the WBC at the time. He just like Whyte was assure that the fight was for an “Eliminator” not a final eliminator, just like Whyte/Helenius was for an “Eliminator”

So again why would Whyte come out and be upset? Could it be he felt shaft in seeing the number 2 guy getting a shot over him? Or could it be the fact that the WBC are mandating a Wilder/Breazeale fight as a mandatory.... when Wilder has already fought a mandatory in November 2017.

So that’s two mandatories for Wilder, which means the Whyte/Ortiz winner doesn’t get their shot until what 2019/2020 if they are lucky. That for me is dodgy.

[kafkod]

Even if it wasn't a final eliminator fight doesn't paragraph (b) allow them to pick Breazeale over Whyte? Could they have, by virtue of Whyte turning down the opportunity to fight in the elimination fight, bypass him even though he is the #1 rated HW behind the champion?

3.7 Designation of Mandatory Challengers. The WBC shall always have the discretion to designate a mandatory challenger by:

(a) ordering a final elimination bout of two qualified contenders; or

(b) designating a Qualified Challenger as the official mandatory challenger.

For the avoidance of doubt, the highest rated (or the highest rated available) boxer in the WBC rankings is never, solely by virtue of such position, the official mandatory challenger. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary, including any communications attributed to the WBC, no boxer shall be considered as, or claim any privileges associated with, being a mandatory challenger unless (i) the boxer has been officially designated as such by the WBC President or the President’s designated representative, and (ii) the WBC Board of Governors has voted to authorize or ratify the designation of such boxer as mandatory challenger.

Hearn's beef with the WBC is that if Whyte had been told at the time that he was being offered a final elimator against anybody, he would have accepted the fight.

And also that he was assured by Sulaiman that Breazeale vs Molina was not a final eliminator, and because of that he had been handling his business on the basis of his belief that Whyte was next in line for Wilder.

[Vinnykin]

Yeah am not going by opinions on here, especially one that is calling one side names lol, I thought we are all adults here discussing boxing. I have never heard or read anywhere where the WBC mandate Breazeale and Whyte as a final eliminator, or Team Whyte offering anything to Breazeale for a fight

I see a lot of people claiming to know about contracts while nothing is in the public domain. The fact is the WBC have never said it was, and unless someone provides a source, I call BS.

[Ray*]

I see a lot of people claiming to know about contracts while nothing is in the public domain. The fact is the WBC have never said it was, and unless someone provides a source, I call BS.

Maybe some people chose to ignore the truth but I wouldn’t be one of them, I would rather read facts than people trying to cover my eyes with agendas. Wilder is allowed to make a voluntary defence as he just defended his belt less than 6 months ago. So why is this match up (Wilder/Breazeale) sanctioned as a mandatory? When he is allowed to make a voluntary. Something doesn’t add up there.

[rckdees]

Thought they said Ortiz was an old man should be easy work

[Ake-Dawg]

Hearn's beef with the WBC is that if Whyte had been told at the time that he was being offered a final elimator against anybody, he would have accepted the fight.

And also that he was assured by Sulaiman that Breazeale vs Molina was not a final eliminator, and because of that he had been handling his business on the basis of his belief that Whyte was next in line for Wilder.

Understood. Particularly with the final eliminator issue when the fight was offered. However, based on the rule set, there was never a guarantee that Whyte would become mando based on being the #1 rated contender.

Fortunately, the "money" he's referring to is only about $10k. If it came out of Whyte's pocket, yeah, I'd be pissed too. At both Hearn and the WBC.

[kafkod]

Understood. Particularly with the final eliminator issue when the fight was offered. However, based on the rule set, there was never a guarantee that Whyte would become mando based on being the #1 rated contender.

Fortunately, the "money" he's referring to is only about $10k. If it came out of Whyte's pocket, yeah, I'd be pissed too. At both Hearn and the WBC.

True, but the No1 contender should expect to get a call if a mando or final eliminator is ordered.

[Jimmy gold]

I knew it wilders team was a bluff lol

[nycsmooth]

Some under handed scheme by Sulaiman & WBC to get more sanction fee $$, fighters in an elimination fight have to pay for the "right" to contend.... I cannot ever understand, regardless of the weight class, why a #1 contender has to fight in elimination fight, he's #1 and deserves the shot at the title ... look how many non deserving guys get the chance ahead of a #1 because it would be a softer touch for the so-called champ...