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  • Goyotronico
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    #121
    Originally posted by Dolor
    Let Canelo be tested at a reputable university clinic in the US, and then you have the answer.
    Yes! and let them do the hair test, also the people doing the test should be kept anonymous to Canelo, his team or anyone in their reach.

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    • Goyotronico
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      #122
      Originally posted by angkag
      Golden boy; 'canelo's hair sample shows no trace of clenbuterol'

      Observer; 'why is the hair sample black ?'
      When did they do the hair test?

      with what organization?

      if it came from Golden Boy, the info is refutable.

      LOL! I confused Black with back! My Bad!
      Last edited by Goyotronico; 03-13-2018, 01:10 PM.

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      • Arma316
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        #123
        It's almost like the WBC and WBA right on cue have gone out of their way to sweep this under the rug and give Canelo a pass.

        So much corruption.

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        • Boksfan
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          #124
          Originally posted by Goyotronico
          When did they do the hair test?

          with what organization?

          if it came from Golden Boy, the info is refutable.
          Are you for real? He was joking.

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          • Goyotronico
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            #125
            Originally posted by Boksfan
            Are you for real? He was joking.
            Sorry, My bad! since there are so many trolls or keyboard warriors here I thought that he was also another of Canelo's defender without a cause, lol!

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            • stealthradon
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              #126
              Originally posted by bigdunny1
              I don't care about any video's you posted they could be from a year ago for all I know. WADA is not lying and probably have records for the agents who were in mexico. But keep on with this conspiracy nonsense that someone how he really wasn't in Mexico even though everyone has reported he was including the folks who came and tested him. LMAO
              They could be, but why would they lie about that?
              What possible benefit would they have by lying?

              He was in Mexico for the test, yes. But that doesn't mean he was in Mexico for anything else.
              The 27th he was in LA


              The car outside in the video of him is his:


              Where is the conspiracy?
              There is more than ample evidence that Canelo was not primarily in Mexico around the time of the two tests.

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              • Raggamuffin
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                #127
                Originally posted by kafkod
                Enough to get him banned automatically if he lived anywhere except Mexico. 10 times more than the cyclist Alberto Contador had, and he was banned for 2 years.
                What was the amount Clenbuterol found in his system again?

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                • ShoulderRoll
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                  #128
                  It makes sense. The amount was small and consistent with eating contaminated beef.

                  When you consider that Canelo has done VADA testing many times before and never come up dirty he deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one.

                  I seriously doubt he was trying to intentionally cheat. That's not his style.

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                  • kafkod
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by bigdunny1
                    VADA, WADA, USADA, Memo, Victor Conte and every drug expert is on record saying the amounts are very low. The amount found in cases of meat contamination compared to the amounts found taking pills of this stuff are very different. It's why just simply being from Mexico is not enough for them to agree that it was likely meat contamination. The levels your body has when you are taking these pills are as high as 20-40ng. Canelo had 0.6-0.8ng and 0.06-0.08ng. Again drug expert Memo


                    "In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

                    "There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping"


                    Victor Conte another drug expert


                    The concentration of Clenbuterol in Alvarez’s body was low, and that is significant, Conte said.

                    “When they say trace amounts, it’s way down in the parts per trillion,” Conte said. “You have parts per million, parts per billion and then parts per trillion. You have trace and then this would be called ultra-trace concentrations. So do I think this is likely it came from a contaminated meat source? I do.”


                    Directly from WADA website who did the test

                    "we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”

                    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary

                    Also from the WADA link.

                    "All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases."

                    So literally everyone classifies less then 1ng as low traces why you keep trying to argue this fact that Canelo had low traces is beyond me. He had low traces FACT. Now yes there are examples of athletes who also had low traces even more extremely low and were punished but that's because this is a unnatural substance and they had no plausible excuse for how it got there living in countries that have zero meat problems. Canelo doesn't apply because he is from a country where this substance is in the food supply so that's why they take that into account as well as the low trace amount consistent with meat contamination.

                    I'll take the word of every drug expert that these are low traces over yours.
                    I'm not arguing about whether Canelo's results were high, low, or somewhere in the middle. I'm telling you that if he lived anywhere but Mexico they would have got him banned.

                    They are within the range of meat contamination and also within the range of someone who was deliberately using clen but stopped using it a couple days before the samples were taken.

                    Having a level in the range for potential meat contamination does not mean that meat contamination is the most likely explanation. It just means it's a possibility, and that's the only reason why WADA policy is to take no disciplinary action against athletes from countries with a significant risk of exposure.

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                    • kafkod
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Raggamuffin
                      What was the amount Clenbuterol found in his system again?
                      This right here:

                      Originally posted by angkag
                      To expand, Contador was banned and stripped of past titles after a 0.05 ng positive. Canelo was 0.6 to 0.8 ng.

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