Comments Thread For: WBC Doctor on Canelo: Everything Points To Contamination

[bigdunny1]

first of all i have to give credit where credit is due, and on a situation where most ggg fans are quick to judge you have been very objective, it is not easy and im not sure if will react the same if it was ggg the one being accused, it doesnt surprised big time coming from you cuz i know you are smart, you like to troll sometimes but who doesnt?
now on the contador case it is also very complex, to the point where he was declared innocent at some point and suspended again, due to the very low amounts of clen found he was given a chance to prove he was innocent despite him being from spain and all of this happened in france, no meat problems there.. his excuse didnt work very well for those reasons..

"There was always doubt over Contador's explanation, despite several prominent experts saying that contaminated food could contain clenbuterol, as in 2008 and 2009, only one animal sample came back positive for clenbuterol out of 83,203 animal samples tested by EU member nations. Out of 19,431 animal tests in Spain over the same period, there were no samples that came back positive for clenbuterol, according to The Guardian."

when the amout of clen is that low, the chances of being from ped abuse are really low, but the chances of being from contaminated meat from spain are insanely much more lower..
most athletes tested positive for clen will come out at much higher levels, very few come at those low levels, but still doesnt mean they are innocent, but when you add the mexican meat factor then chances of coming from contaminated meat are clearly higher than coming from ped abuse...
not saying canelo is innocent , but chances are he is...

[bigdunny1]

The test could have been in Jalisco. But are the videos lying?

I don't care about any video's you posted they could be from a year ago for all I know. WADA is not lying and probably have records for the agents who were in mexico. But keep on with this conspiracy nonsense that someone how he really wasn't in Mexico even though everyone has reported he was including the folks who came and tested him. LMAO

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Clenbuterol has 36 hour half-life.

Clenbuterol doesn't stay in the body a long time, at all.

Canelo's trace levels are in line with someone also cycling, not just, "meat contamination". This is a BS excuse. I've posted a medical study that examines this several times. A Clenbuterol cycle usually has a slow buildup of dosage. Canelo wasn't on the lowerside of the dosage, he was around what seemed to be the
middle-upper end range. A max Clen cycle usually hits around a daily limit 140mg at it's peak. It also depends on the cycle, I'd imagine he would be doing a 2 day on, 2 day off cycline versus the traditional 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

But it doesn't matter, money talks. LOL at anyone believing any of the alphabet companies.

[icha]

The test could have been in Jalisco. But are the videos lying?

if wada is going to lie about the location of the tests why not lie about the results?? thats bad reasoning..

[Ake-Dawg]

I'm not saying he isn't innocent, but I believe the circumstances and the evidence are clearly insufficient to say that he is.

There is actually quite a bit of circumstancial evidence against him ..

His trainer is in the meat trade and knows all about the tainted meat problem and how to avoid it.

Canelo has posted his training diets and stated that he eats no red meat .. just fish and chicken.

Cavez Jr complained about VADA tests starting late for their fight and Canelo pulled out of VADA completely when he really needed to cut drastic weight for the Smith fight.

I agree that no one should be proclaiming innocence or guilt right now. However, I take issue with two things you just said that aren't so much evidence but presumptions. 1. Folks are presuming that Alvarez trainer is his nutritionist and that he controls EVERYTHING he eats. Further to that, there is a presumption that said trainer also knows for a fact whether any beef served to Alvarez has clen in it or not. Possible yes. Plausible, maybe. 2. It is presumption that Alvarez pulled out of VADA for the Smith fight due to a needed "drastic weight" cut.

[Dolor]

Let Canelo be tested at a reputable university clinic in the US, and then you have the answer.

[Raggamuffin]

Because those fans are like you. Irrational fanboys

You have the wrong person moron.

[Citizen Koba]

I'm still waiting for a clear explanation of the observable difference between a positive test from cheating and one from contaminated meat.I can't pretend to be any kind of expert, but like many others here I an capable of doing a little research, and what that's telling me is that you can't distinguish between cheating and contamination based on blood/urine concentration - you'd also need to know when the clenbuterol was ingested ... the levels in the urine (or plasma) will reduce over time as the chemical is eliminated, and there is (according to all the literature I've read) no way to distinguish between a the****utic level dose taken some time (days, or as much as a week) earlier, from a lower dose from contaminated meat ingested more recently.

I'd also be interested to find out why Canelo's urine concentration dropped approximately tenfold (from 600 - 800pg to 60 - 80pg) in a three day (approx 72 hour) period between his two failed tests when the half-life of Clenbuterol in humans of 36 hours would suggest it should have only dropped to a quarter of it's original value. Flushing or some other method of accelerating elimination could explain this anomaly, but then why would one want to speed the elimination of a drug from one's system unless you already knew it was there? There may be a simple explanation for this, of course, cos I'm certainly no expert, but I'm yet to see this question even raised in the press.

[Goyotronico]

Blah blah tío too long did not read.

Ok, give us the words of others specialists that actually said that Canelo is a cheater in some social media.

Your post is complete garbage, because only is your ****** personal deduction.

Tio pues si es muy largo para ti es por queres un fanatico ciego q literalmente puedes ver a canelo puyandose y metiendose anabolicos y como quiera lo vas a defender, so hablar con personas como tu que simplemente no sirven es perder el tiempo.

About the post, if you could read objectively and not be a biased troll keyboard warrior, you could see that the post or the info provided is from a forum about the PED being used Clembuterol and the studies from people who test the chem, also it's from before Canelo was CAUGHT CHEATING WITH PEDS.

Clemnelo Alvapeds was caught, no need to defend cause he was caught, He is a cheater and no the world knows.

[Illmatic94]

I don't care about any video's you posted they could be from a year ago for all I know. WADA is not lying and probably have records for the agents who were in mexico. But keep on with this conspiracy nonsense that someone how he really wasn't in Mexico even though everyone has reported he was including the folks who came and tested him. LMAO

you better be on the payroll of Clenelo. you going to war for that boy's innocence overtime. and I notice you like to take Conte's word as gospel. well Conte felt Floyd might be masking PED's with the IV. if he's not to be questioned than we got a major problem with Mayweather getting away with doping.

and the more you keep saying how "widespread" this problem is in Mexico the more guilty Canelo looks. it means his whole team was aware and STILL decided to consume meat in a highly contaminated country. taking zero precautions. thats called gross negligence and makes Clenelo guilty of blatant ******ity.

but where it stands now we don't know what the source is. whether Clen pills or food. its all speculation. saying "it's consistent with meat contamination" doesn't make that statement a fact. imagine if it was that simple to solve crime. show up on the scene and say "it's consistent with a suicide..let's pack up and go home."

those levels are also consistent with a cheater caught while cycling off.

Clenelo is GUILTY until proven innocent. if you're so sure it's meat tell us where was the meat purchased? what restaurant? wheres the receipts? you have no answers for this. therefore Clenelo Alvawraps will NEVER escape this scrutiny. he is a doping cheater forever. image eternally ruined.