41 years old Klitschko vs 38 years old Ortiz - who is a better fighter?

[LacedUp]

after he fights aj, thats about it. the hw div isnt stacked.

Parker, Pulev, Povetkin, AJ, Fury (both), Whyte, even Miller or Breazele.

All would improve his resume.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The fact that these are the best two wins of our top 2 HW’s, speaks volumes to how weak this division is.

[Elroy The Great]

Parker, Pulev, Povetkin, AJ, Fury (both), Whyte, even Miller or Breazele.

All would improve his resume.

and what have they done (excluding aj and fnck that clown fury)

[joseph5620]

When did Wlad show it?

When he started his excessive clinching.

[Cutthroat]

Amateur record

Who did he beat as a pro? Let’s hear it. Bryant Jennings. That’s it.

Talking about this guy being better than Klitschko.. absolutely astoundingly ******ed.

Why are fans so ******ed they have to go overboard every time? Ortiz was a solid heavyweight. It was a great fight.

There’s no need to blow it so much out of proportion. When you do, normal people will start thinking you’re idiots and just not take you seriously. Wilder and his crazy fans.

Bryant Jennings was a top 5 HW when Ortiz beat him. Jennings actually went the distance with Wlad, he gave him a FAR tougher fight than Pulev, Haye, Pedvetkin.

Ortiz did what Wlad couldn't, outclass and stop him, 2 judges had it 116-111 for Wlad vs Jennings.

In B4 the "Wlad was old" excuse even though he dominated Pulev with ease a few months prior. Ortiz also KTFO of Tony Thompson, the 2nd best big man from Wlad's era lmao.

I can tell that Jeff Wooden thing really bothers you, I bet he was a part time boxer too. Ortiz' amateur pedigree shows he's got boxing ability, in combination with his 97% KO ratio it's practically unheard of.

Jeff Wooden, I bet you don't even know who he was, he was taking the contenders of the 90's/00s HW division to their limits LOL.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Historically, pretty much every past heavyweight champion after age 37 was either retired or losing to inferior opponents compared to Joshua or Fury.

No heavyweight champion in heavyweight boxing history has ever defeated the next future number 1 heavyweight champion after age 39. It's never happened! Especially with a 10+ year age disadvantage.

Let's run through history:

- Evander Holyfield was losing to the likes of James Toney, John Ruiz and Larry Donald after age 37. All whom are inferior to Joshua or Fury.

- Mike Tyson was losing to the likes of Danny Williams and Kevin McBride after age 35. Both whom are inferior to Joshua and Fury.

- Muhammad Ali was losing to the likes of Trevor Berbick and Leon Spinks after age 35. Both whom are inferior to Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury.

- George Foreman was losing to the likes of Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison and Axel Schulz after age 35. All whom are inferior to Joshua or Fury.


None of the past heavyweight champions did any better than Wladimir Klitschko did after age 37.

So if anyone wants to diminish Wladimir Klitschko's greatness for his failures at such an advanced old age, then be prepared to do the same for past heavyweight champions and also the current heavyweight champions after they also reach the same age.

Otherwise, be prepared to expose yourself as a hypocrite!

[Mr Objecitivity]

And Odlanier Solis > Luis Ortiz. Since Solis ALWAYS beat Ortiz every time they faced each other. And Ortiz was Solis's sparring partner in the pros for Vitali Klitschko.

And

Vitali Klitschko KO1 Odlanier Solis.

Luis Ortiz is overrated!

[McNulty]

We've seen Wlad vs a southpaw in Sanders, there is a reason why he didn't rematch him. Ortiz would beat any version of Wlad.

Vlad was a different fighter then (Pre-Steward). He used to make big mistakes like getting low. You don't get low when you're that size. That hurt him against Sanders. He gave up his natural advantages and Corrie capitalized on it.

[LacedUp]

and what have they done (excluding aj and fnck that clown fury)

Beaten actual top contenders and won belts?

[LacedUp]

When he started his excessive clinching.

So in 2005. Got ya.