Can someone explain to me how a guy like Wilder hasn't lost yet?

[Fanofreason]

Guys are afraid to commit to the punches against Wilder and trade with him.

Ortiz got away with it once and hurt him. The second time they both connected fight was over.

1 mistake vs Wilder and the fight is over.

He could go 50-0.

[Just looking]

He's not textbook but he's highly effective. He actually landed more punches than Ortiz last night. He's actually a tremendous talent with a stiff jab, and an opportunistic right that is a total fight ender. Ortiz fights in textbook HW style,great skills and power and he couldn't do it. Southpaw as well

Exact. People say he has no skill because he was projecting his head with the big punches but they don't understand that was to avoid return fire. You can't just back up with that amount of power, so the best is to go all the way in, look how hard was for Ortiz to find him in the exchanges

[KillaCamNZ]

Lack of competition. Luis Ortiz is the best fighter he has fought today and he got it through the skin of this teeth.

This.

Close the thread.

[alexguiness]

He is a great athlete but his fundamentals, balance, and technique is very subpart. Spilka, Stiverne, and Ortiz we're all better but yet they lost. Is Wilder changing our perspective on what it takes to be a champion and elite boxer? Or is this all based on luck?

HW boxing has shifted significantly since the 1990s.

Sport science has developed to the point where if you find the right physical specimen, train it to box, apply the highest quality scientific support, market it, match it very carefully to build an undefeated record...you create a World Champion.

Wilder and Joshua are prime examples of the practice.

Wilder is loud, obnoxious and arrogant. Joshua is humble, reflective and unassuming.

Apart from the above, they are exactly alike.

[Code Red]

Hearns beat Duran, Leonard, Wilfred, Barkley, and Cuevas. Those guys are above the likes of Ortiz

I didn't say anything about who you like or think is better, I said compare and contrast there styles and if you can't see a similarity between the offensive style of Hearns and Wilder then you dont know **** about boxing

[joseph5620]

He is a great athlete but his fundamentals, balance, and technique is very subpart. Spilka, Stiverne, and Ortiz we're all better but yet they lost. Is Wilder changing our perspective on what it takes to be a champion and elite boxer? Or is this all based on luck?

None of them were better than Wilder. If you can't see that, you have no credibility with your question or opinions.

[sotgoda]

He has a good chin and insane power. Eventually someone will survive long enough and beat him by decision. It just hasn't happened yet. He always manages to catch them somehow.

Add in speed, athleticism, pivots really well to avoid most of the heavy punches. His frame makes him look like he is receiving damage but he is just plain clumsy and awkward. You also need to have enough power to earn Wilder's respect - which Ortiz did have. Lastly, Wilder's skills are not as bad as people make it out to be. He is tactically more aware of his opponents than people give him credit for.

[Bjl12]

He is a great athlete but his fundamentals, balance, and technique is very subpart. Spilka, Stiverne, and Ortiz we're all better but yet they lost. Is Wilder changing our perspective on what it takes to be a champion and elite boxer? Or is this all based on luck?

Wilder is umm...wild. He can be outboxed and bullied, but he showed last night he can't be discouraged and his heart is unbelievable.

HW division being watered down also helps him keep the record unblemished.

He is extremely flawed for a guy who is 39-0 or so.

[Bjl12]

HW boxing has shifted significantly since the 1990s.

Sport science has developed to the point where if you find the right physical specimen, train it to box, apply the highest quality scientific support, market it, match it very carefully to build an undefeated record...you create a World Champion.

Wilder and Joshua are prime examples of the practice.

Wilder is loud, obnoxious and arrogant. Joshua is humble, reflective and unassuming.

Apart from the above, they are exactly alike.

Good insight

[sotgoda]

The Fury that beat Klitschko would be Wilder's worst nightmare because Wilder would likely get into a hole on the scorecards and then it becomes a race against time to try to catch him. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Might be a coin flip. But that's the type of fighter I could definitely see going the distance and getting the decision.

I disagree. I think Fury's awkwardness will trouble Wilder but he does not have power, and does not counterpunch well. Wilder will get to him eventually and knock him out. I think too much hype is being put into the Fury-Wlad fight. Wlad had difficulty pulling the trigger even the fight before against Jennings. Fury is not that much taller than Wilder and does not have power. Not sure what to make of Fury's chin yet.